Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky
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They’re certainly happy to see what they saw last week. It really drives their messaging home. To wit, the US is dismantling the world order they created and no longer can be trusted by its traditional allies. Surely that message has been received loud and clear.
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 15:34 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
They’re certainly happy to see what they saw last week. It really drives their messaging home. To wit, the US is dismantling the world order they created and no longer can be trusted by its traditional allies. Surely that message has been received loud and clear.
As I said in another thread as a hypothetic, which I hope does not come true.
Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
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@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
They’re certainly happy to see what they saw last week. It really drives their messaging home. To wit, the US is dismantling the world order they created and no longer can be trusted by its traditional allies. Surely that message has been received loud and clear.
As I said in another thread as a hypothetic, which I hope does not come true.
Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:31 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
They’re certainly happy to see what they saw last week. It really drives their messaging home. To wit, the US is dismantling the world order they created and no longer can be trusted by its traditional allies. Surely that message has been received loud and clear.
As I said in another thread as a hypothetic, which I hope does not come true.
Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
Let's face some very hard facts. Uncle Sugar is so deep in debt, the debt payment is equal to the world police, er, military budget.
So if you are expecting the U.S. to put water on every blazing conflict in the world, I've got news for you:
John Wayne's dead and the calvary ain't coming.
The U.S. is going to have a leaner, more lethal military, but it cannot afford to project power as it has since WW2. The country will coalesce it's defensive plans into what benefits our nation the most, at the least cost of blood and treasure.
Can China "box" the U.S. in? Not anytime soon, I don't think. I think the U.S. is going to place a lot of emphasis on Japan, India and Australia, but I'm not sure about Taiwan or the Philippines, as they try to keep the Chinese in check.
As for Europe, something I heard that I'm not certain about...If you ranked all European countries individually against Mississippi, Mississippi is worth more. That might be ludicrous, but it underscores that it's a long time since 1945, Europe has rebuilt and they need to take care of themselves.
That's not isolationism, rather it's a return to fiscal responsibility and some international common sense.
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@taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
They’re certainly happy to see what they saw last week. It really drives their messaging home. To wit, the US is dismantling the world order they created and no longer can be trusted by its traditional allies. Surely that message has been received loud and clear.
As I said in another thread as a hypothetic, which I hope does not come true.
Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
Let's face some very hard facts. Uncle Sugar is so deep in debt, the debt payment is equal to the world police, er, military budget.
So if you are expecting the U.S. to put water on every blazing conflict in the world, I've got news for you:
John Wayne's dead and the calvary ain't coming.
The U.S. is going to have a leaner, more lethal military, but it cannot afford to project power as it has since WW2. The country will coalesce it's defensive plans into what benefits our nation the most, at the least cost of blood and treasure.
Can China "box" the U.S. in? Not anytime soon, I don't think. I think the U.S. is going to place a lot of emphasis on Japan, India and Australia, but I'm not sure about Taiwan or the Philippines, as they try to keep the Chinese in check.
As for Europe, something I heard that I'm not certain about...If you ranked all European countries individually against Mississippi, Mississippi is worth more. That might be ludicrous, but it underscores that it's a long time since 1945, Europe has rebuilt and they need to take care of themselves.
That's not isolationism, rather it's a return to fiscal responsibility and some international common sense.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 00:44 last edited by@Jolly What you say may be right, and if it is, I think that the consequence of that will be a lessened US power and influence throughout the world.
Personally, I dont think that is for the better. It will hurt in economics, diplomatic, trade, etc.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 02:16 last edited by Renauda 3 Apr 2025, 02:34
Don’t bother TG. He’s deaf to anything other than what he wants to hear and believe. And like a Mormon, he arrives with all his answers and responses prepared.
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@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 02:32 last edited by@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
But there were plenty of complaints about Biden’s strategy if you knew where to look. Kasparov was a rather loud and consistent voice.
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@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
But there were plenty of complaints about Biden’s strategy if you knew where to look. Kasparov was a rather loud and consistent voice.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:23 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
Interesting. Cite? How do you square that with the commonly accepted notion that Ukraine is losing the war, and will ultimately lose unless something changes?
But there were plenty of complaints about Biden’s strategy if you knew where to look. Kasparov was a rather loud and consistent voice.
Obviously, I'm talking about the public discussion in America.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:36 last edited by
He’s in America with a decent social media platform.
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@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
Interesting. Cite? How do you square that with the commonly accepted notion that Ukraine is losing the war, and will ultimately lose unless something changes?
But there were plenty of complaints about Biden’s strategy if you knew where to look. Kasparov was a rather loud and consistent voice.
Obviously, I'm talking about the public discussion in America.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:38 last edited by@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
Interesting. Cite?
Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
• Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
• Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
• Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:41 last edited by
So there is no squaring with the commonly accepted notion that Ukraine is losing the war, and the claim, while technically true, is a rhetorical cheap trick. Russia happened to occupy a bunch of territory in an undefended blitz at the start, from which they were pushed back, and into which they continue to encroach slowly.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:42 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
He’s in America with a decent social media platform.
Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:48 last edited by
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@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
He’s in America with a decent social media platform.
Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:51 last edited by@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
He’s in America with a decent social media platform.
Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.
He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.
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@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
He’s in America with a decent social media platform.
Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.
He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:52 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
He’s in America with a decent social media platform.
Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.
He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.
No, this is not a failure of the breadth of my info feeds. This is a failure of your good faith reading of my point. You are eager to dunk as always, so you took my claims about how relatively quiet the opposition was to the Biden status quo, as a claim that there was no opposition at all. Because jon's gotta dunk. It's bad faith, and more tedious than you'll ever know.
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@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
Interesting. Cite?
Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
• Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
• Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
• Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 05:39 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
Interesting. Cite?
Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
• Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
• Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
• Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.
How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?
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@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.
They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.
Interesting. Cite?
Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
• Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
• Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
• Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.
How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 14:47 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?
As always, you got me thinking. So, did some checking and found a pretty good map from the BBC
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@jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.
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@jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.
wrote on 10 Mar 2025, 21:43 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.
No, Trump is already a known quantity by his second election. Rubio knew exactly when he was getting into and he got in there anyway. He will continue to toe Trump’s line, whatever that is.
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@taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.
No, Trump is already a known quantity by his second election. Rubio knew exactly when he was getting into and he got in there anyway. He will continue to toe Trump’s line, whatever that is.
