Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky
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@xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.
Except we were letting Russia capture land through conquest. Not letting them, would have required military escalation.
Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.
wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:41 last edited by RenaudaMaybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.
You’re right. It’s not. However the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) backed up with a reciprocal policy of maintaining a credible deterrence has kept any use of nukes in check between nuclear powers. Both Russia and the US adhere to the principles of nuclear deterrence developed in the Cold War. Crossing the nuclear threshold is always regarded as a last resort deployment. We used to call it thinking the unthinkable.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 00:37 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Jan 2025, 00:46
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 02:19 last edited by
The Trump administration loves Putin. They really, really love him!
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 03:26 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 05:39
Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.
Unless that stand down order extends to NSA and SIGINT I don’t think it is at all significant in terms of security. From what I can tell as is, it only eliminates a level of unnecessary redundancy more than adequately covered by the other two.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 09:01 last edited by
Glad to hear that.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 09:26 last edited by
Perhaps the UK could poach them to work for us. Russians hacked our NHS only seven months ago
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 12:45 last edited by
Like the leftists used to say about Stalin, Andy, Putin is just misunderstood. You just have to stop threatening him.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 15:49 last edited by
I guess we’ll see what happens. Trump said he’d get the war stopped in a day. I’d be fine with 6 months.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 18:20 last edited by
I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?
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I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 18:35 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 18:55I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?
Interesting question. It could very well be since Trump speaks of sending American miners and oil patch roughnecks to Ukraine ostensibly as human shields against future aggression from Russia. If true, both the logic and morality seem strange and borne of a bygone era. It suggests that Ukrainian and Russian lives are of little or no value to him but American material interests on Ukraine’s territory in the form of natural resources are of great value and worth to defend militarily.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 19:03 last edited by
Ukraine could still become our 51st state.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:21 last edited by
If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:22 last edited by
@kluurs said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
Ukraine could still become our 51st state.
And as a bonus, it wouldn’t be a part of NATO…
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Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:25 last edited by@Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?
Remember when we conservatives used to look for answers on winning the war?
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If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:37 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 22:39@LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…
Not really. In fact not at all. Gaza is by far a more strategically suitable location for a massive multi force US strategic military facility. One could make a whole list of rock solid and bullet proof reasons supporting that claim. It also appears quite attainable in the short run. Possibly even before the beginning of summer.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…
Not really. In fact not at all. Gaza is by far a more strategically suitable location for a massive multi force US strategic military facility. One could make a whole list of rock solid and bullet proof reasons supporting that claim. It also appears quite attainable in the short run. Possibly even before the beginning of summer.
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 22:10 last edited by@Renauda said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…
Not really. In fact not at all. Gaza is by far a more strategically suitable location for a massive multi force US strategic military facility for a list of rock solid and bullet proof reasons. It also appears quite attainable in the short run. Possibly even before the beginning of summer.
See? There you go using global geography… You have to use ‘Merican geography… then you’ll realize that North is North … Europe is a Northern continent, and is closer to Greenland, no matter the miles (or even that gay “kilometer” crap, if you insist. Everybody knows that Gaza borders Egypt, which is Northern Africa. And Africa’s south, so obviously Greenland’s closer to Europe.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 22:21 last edited by
Seriously, though? It is absolutely astounding looking at the satellite maps and realizing just the sheer frigging size of Russia (what is it, 10% of the landmass of the world?) and the population is about 150M? And 80% of that is in an area roughly the size as the Easter Seaboard? I mean, north of Yakutsk, it’s just miles of nothing.
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@Renauda said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
@LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:
If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…
Not really. In fact not at all. Gaza is by far a more strategically suitable location for a massive multi force US strategic military facility for a list of rock solid and bullet proof reasons. It also appears quite attainable in the short run. Possibly even before the beginning of summer.
See? There you go using global geography… You have to use ‘Merican geography… then you’ll realize that North is North … Europe is a Northern continent, and is closer to Greenland, no matter the miles (or even that gay “kilometer” crap, if you insist. Everybody knows that Gaza borders Egypt, which is Northern Africa. And Africa’s south, so obviously Greenland’s closer to Europe.
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 22:34 last edited byI’ll try to do better next time and confine my thinking to the northerly region of Golfo del Gringo Loco.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 23:12 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Jan 2025, 23:15
