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Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky

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    xenon
    wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:57 last edited by
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    Our objective and how well we lived up to it are two different things.

    I don’t understand what our current objective is.

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      Horace
      wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:01 last edited by
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      Trump has mentioned once or twice that he would like to end the conflict.

      Education is extremely important.

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        xenon
        wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:30 last edited by xenon
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        He has. But I don’t know why. Money? It might goad Russia into attacking us? Humanitarian/moral aversion to war? The world is not our problem?

        If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

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        • X xenon
          28 Feb 2025, 03:30

          He has. But I don’t know why. Money? It might goad Russia into attacking us? Humanitarian/moral aversion to war? The world is not our problem?

          If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:40 last edited by
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          @xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          If it’s the last one - we should drastically remake our military.

          I think you're going to get your wish...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • H Horace
            28 Feb 2025, 02:49

            @xenon said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

            I could understand the old stance - don’t appease Russia, don’t let countries capture land through conquest.

            Except we were letting Russia capture land through conquest. Not letting them, would have required military escalation.

            Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:41 last edited by Renauda
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            @Horace

            Maybe such escalation could exist without any threat of nuclear war. Doesn't seem like that's a provable claim either way, though.

            You’re right. It’s not. However the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) backed up with a reciprocal policy of maintaining a credible deterrence has kept any use of nukes in check between nuclear powers. Both Russia and the US adhere to the principles of nuclear deterrence developed in the Cold War. Crossing the nuclear threshold is always regarded as a last resort deployment. We used to call it thinking the unthinkable.

            Elbows up!

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 00:37 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Jan 2025, 00:46
              #175

              Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 02:19 last edited by
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                The Trump administration loves Putin. They really, really love him!

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                  1 Mar 2025, 00:37

                  Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 03:26 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 05:39
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                  @jon-nyc

                  Not even allowed to plan. This isn’t appeasement, it’s straight up surrender.

                  Unless that stand down order extends to NSA and SIGINT I don’t think it is at all significant in terms of security. From what I can tell as is, it only eliminates a level of unnecessary redundancy more than adequately covered by the other two.

                  Elbows up!

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 09:01 last edited by
                    #178

                    Glad to hear that.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      AndyD
                      wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 09:26 last edited by
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                      Perhaps the UK could poach them to work for us. Russians hacked our NHS only seven months ago

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 12:45 last edited by
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                        Like the leftists used to say about Stalin, Andy, Putin is just misunderstood. You just have to stop threatening him.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          xenon
                          wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 15:49 last edited by
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                          I guess we’ll see what happens. Trump said he’d get the war stopped in a day. I’d be fine with 6 months.

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 18:20 last edited by
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                            I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?

                            The Brad

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                              1 Mar 2025, 18:20

                              I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 18:35 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 18:55
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                              @LuFins-Dad

                              I’m wondering if his plan to end the war is by invading Ukraine, ourselves?

                              Interesting question. It could very well be since Trump speaks of sending American miners and oil patch roughnecks to Ukraine ostensibly as human shields against future aggression from Russia. If true, both the logic and morality seem strange and borne of a bygone era. It suggests that Ukrainian and Russian lives are of little or no value to him but American material interests on Ukraine’s territory in the form of natural resources are of great value and worth to defend militarily.

                              Elbows up!

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                                kluurs
                                wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 19:03 last edited by
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                                Ukraine could still become our 51st state.

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                                  1 Mar 2025, 19:03

                                  Ukraine could still become our 51st state.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 19:08 last edited by
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                                  @kluurs

                                  Better them than us.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:21 last edited by
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                                    If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • K kluurs
                                      1 Mar 2025, 19:03

                                      Ukraine could still become our 51st state.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:22 last edited by
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                                      @kluurs said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                                      Ukraine could still become our 51st state.

                                      And as a bonus, it wouldn’t be a part of NATO…

                                      The Brad

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                                      • J Jolly
                                        27 Feb 2025, 12:04

                                        Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:25 last edited by
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                                        @Jolly said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                                        Are there any Trump opponents, on this board or in public, that have a workable plan to end the Ukraine War?

                                        Remember when we conservatives used to look for answers on winning the war?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • L LuFins Dad
                                          1 Mar 2025, 20:21

                                          If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:37 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 22:39
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                                          If Russia took Ukraine, the EU would probably really appreciate having a strong US military based in Greenland… Just saying…

                                          Not really. In fact not at all. Gaza is by far a more strategically suitable location for a massive multi force US strategic military facility. One could make a whole list of rock solid and bullet proof reasons supporting that claim. It also appears quite attainable in the short run. Possibly even before the beginning of summer.

                                          Elbows up!

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