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And y'all bitched about the pardons...

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.

    MikM Away
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    Mik
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    #22

    @jon-nyc said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

    People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.

    The kind of disagreements and rhetoric we've seen lately is nothing new. it was the foundational principle of TNCR.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.

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      @jon-nyc said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

      People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.

      You say that, but if everybody left who finds your rage and bloodthirstiness tedious, you would have no more reason to post any of it. The feeling that you're upsetting people is the whole point.

      Education is extremely important.

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        jon-nyc
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        #24

        Then I would just declare victory and use the forum as my own personal hate diary.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          NobodySock
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          Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.

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            Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.

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            Jolly
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            @NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

            Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.

            Thank you for making a great point!

            Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

              Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.

              Thank you for making a great point!

              Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.

              MikM Away
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #27

              @Jolly 👍

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Horace
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                Yeah, but Eric Adams. Aren't you terrified of this banana republic?

                Education is extremely important.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                  Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.

                  Thank you for making a great point!

                  Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.

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                  NobodySock
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                  @Jolly said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                  @NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                  Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.

                  Thank you for making a great point!

                  Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.

                  My point was the lack of justice on both ends of the spectrum. I am not discounting your post nor its validity, only pointing out something just as bad if not worse. Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second. If Joe Biden had stayed in and lost the election but cried foul, that it was rigged, then staged a rally on January 6, 2025, telling his minions you have to fight if you want to keep your country, thus creating a bullrush to the Capitol where mayhem ensued. Then, deciding to carry off hundreds of this country's most classified documents home with him upon leaving the White House, how do you think you personally would have felt about his actions? And then seeing how his attornies use the system to delay delay delay justice?

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                    Joe could cry foul, if they could have woke him up to do so.

                    Trump still thinks the 2020 election was rigged. I, and many millions besides me, think so, too.

                    I believe the last election helped prove that.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility. As for outright voting fraud, I mean beyond the invisible and untrackable fraud in the ID-free precincts, that's a much less supportable argument.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        #32

                        2024 certainly proved the Democrats were not above shenanigans and have little to no respect for voters.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Joe could cry foul, if they could have woke him up to do so.

                          Trump still thinks the 2020 election was rigged. I, and many millions besides me, think so, too.

                          I believe the last election helped prove that.

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                          @Jolly said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                          Joe could cry foul, if they could have woke him up to do so.

                          Trump still thinks the 2020 election was rigged. I, and many millions besides me, think so, too.

                          I believe the last election helped prove that.

                          and I think that Santa Claus is real, and millions support my notion. I believe the presents under my Christmas tree helped prove that too!

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility. As for outright voting fraud, I mean beyond the invisible and untrackable fraud in the ID-free precincts, that's a much less supportable argument.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                            There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility.

                            That case only became reasonable with hindsight. Remember the laptop’s origins were so dicey that even FoxNews and WSJ passed on the story. That’s how it ended up at the NYPost.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                              There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility.

                              That case only became reasonable with hindsight. Remember the laptop’s origins were so dicey that even FoxNews and WSJ passed on the story. That’s how it ended up at the NYPost.

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                              Horace
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                              @jon-nyc the intelligence community dunking on its credibility was always disingenuous, and we can know that they knew that at the time. Or maybe in your world, they made an honest and well intentioned mistake.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                @jon-nyc the intelligence community dunking on its credibility was always disingenuous, and we can know that they knew that at the time. Or maybe in your world, they made an honest and well intentioned mistake.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                @Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                                and we can know that they knew that at the time

                                How can we know this?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:

                                  and we can know that they knew that at the time

                                  How can we know this?

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                                  @jon-nyc On the basic principle that when an expert weighs in on something, thereby abandoning the default position of "I don't know", and backs it with their credibility as black box thinkers with access to information and expertise that laymen do not have access to, and then they are proven wrong in retrospect, that those experts fell victim to a human failing. I'm uninterested in any attempt to disentangle motivated reasoning or tribal groupthink from outright dishonesty, because in the human mind, there is no bright line between them. In your world you can continue to believe that honest and well intentioned mistakes were made, while everybody else can see the convenience of that puzzle piece in your preferred narratives.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    All you’re saying is that they’re wrong. You’re not addressing how ‘we can know that they knew that at the time’.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      I did address it in the abstract. Of course I am not privy to the specific decision making process of the 50 intelligence community members who signed on to the letter dunking on the credibility of the laptop story.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        Actually if you reread the letter they weren’t even wrong. They stated outright that they’re had no direct knowledge of the whether the emails were real or not. What they said is ‘it had the hallmarks’ of a Russian disinformation campaign and it’s hard to argue otherwise.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Actually if you reread the letter they weren’t even wrong. They stated outright that they’re had no direct knowledge of the whether the emails were real or not. What they said is ‘it had the hallmarks’ of a Russian disinformation campaign and it’s hard to argue otherwise.

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                                          @jon-nyc I'm aware of your ability to read things as granularly as necessary to frame them in such a way that they support your narratives. I remain unimpressed by this ability of yours.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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