And y'all bitched about the pardons...
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I think you’re just frustrated because the vast majority of complaints about Trump from posters here in the last several weeks are about things you don’t have a good answer for, like talking up DOGE while ballooning the debt behind closed doors. And George isn’t here to Whatabout every post so it just sits there unanswered.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 13:54 last edited by@jon-nyc I'm old enough to remember when you took exception to psychological deconstruction. But, I have no reason to expect the debt would be better under Harris. I understand your rhetoric is your reality, but I can promise you, you take it more seriously than anybody else. It's more of a constant stream of special pleading and double standards. Trump has not failed yet, not by a long shot, and I trust that the electorate will hold him and his party accountable if he does. Meanwhile, it will remain non-obvious why anybody would want to immerse themselves in a firehose of TDS from Twitter barfed onto this board.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 13:56 last edited by
People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 13:59 last edited by
I think what I see as a plus is Trump's ability to learn and adapt. While he was not my first choice and he is clearly flawed, this ability is huge in my eyes.
You simply cannot look at him and say he's dumb. He turned the nation's politics upside down in 2016. From 2021 through this year, he endured political persecution the likes of which have not been seen, at least in my knowledge of history. And now he's come in having a plan and hit the ground running like nothing we've ever seen.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 14:00 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.
The kind of disagreements and rhetoric we've seen lately is nothing new. it was the foundational principle of TNCR.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 14:06 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
People can come and go as they please. Or you can just block me if you wish.
You say that, but if everybody left who finds your rage and bloodthirstiness tedious, you would have no more reason to post any of it. The feeling that you're upsetting people is the whole point.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 14:09 last edited by jon-nyc
Then I would just declare victory and use the forum as my own personal hate diary.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 14:49 last edited by
Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.
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Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:07 last edited by@NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.
Thank you for making a great point!
Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.
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@NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.
Thank you for making a great point!
Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:30 last edited by
Yeah, but Eric Adams. Aren't you terrified of this banana republic?
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@NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.
Thank you for making a great point!
Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:33 last edited by NobodySock@Jolly said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
@NobodySock said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
Now if this poor man could afford the best attornies like his dear leader, he wouldn't have seen 1 day in jail.
Thank you for making a great point!
Regardless of where one landed on the January 6 scale, the Just-us Department threw unlimited resources at people who could not afford to defend themselves effectively against a legal tsunami. Many of the convictions were not based on simple justice - after all, who gets months or years in jail for trespass? - but on vengeance and a burning desire to teach those ruffians who is actually in charge. Sign the plea deal or we'll bankrupt you, take your home away and turn your family out into the street.
My point was the lack of justice on both ends of the spectrum. I am not discounting your post nor its validity, only pointing out something just as bad if not worse. Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second. If Joe Biden had stayed in and lost the election but cried foul, that it was rigged, then staged a rally on January 6, 2025, telling his minions you have to fight if you want to keep your country, thus creating a bullrush to the Capitol where mayhem ensued. Then, deciding to carry off hundreds of this country's most classified documents home with him upon leaving the White House, how do you think you personally would have felt about his actions? And then seeing how his attornies use the system to delay delay delay justice?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:40 last edited by
Joe could cry foul, if they could have woke him up to do so.
Trump still thinks the 2020 election was rigged. I, and many millions besides me, think so, too.
I believe the last election helped prove that.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:45 last edited by
There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility. As for outright voting fraud, I mean beyond the invisible and untrackable fraud in the ID-free precincts, that's a much less supportable argument.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:46 last edited by Mik
2024 certainly proved the Democrats were not above shenanigans and have little to no respect for voters.
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Joe could cry foul, if they could have woke him up to do so.
Trump still thinks the 2020 election was rigged. I, and many millions besides me, think so, too.
I believe the last election helped prove that.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:48 last edited by@Jolly said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
Joe could cry foul, if they could have woke him up to do so.
Trump still thinks the 2020 election was rigged. I, and many millions besides me, think so, too.
I believe the last election helped prove that.
and I think that Santa Claus is real, and millions support my notion. I believe the presents under my Christmas tree helped prove that too!
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There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility. As for outright voting fraud, I mean beyond the invisible and untrackable fraud in the ID-free precincts, that's a much less supportable argument.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:36 last edited by@Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility.
That case only became reasonable with hindsight. Remember the laptop’s origins were so dicey that even FoxNews and WSJ passed on the story. That’s how it ended up at the NYPost.
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@Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
There's always been a reasonable case to be made about how the election was affected by the Hunter laptop story, and how the swamp came out to disingenuously destroy its credibility.
That case only became reasonable with hindsight. Remember the laptop’s origins were so dicey that even FoxNews and WSJ passed on the story. That’s how it ended up at the NYPost.
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@jon-nyc the intelligence community dunking on its credibility was always disingenuous, and we can know that they knew that at the time. Or maybe in your world, they made an honest and well intentioned mistake.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 17:41 last edited by@Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
and we can know that they knew that at the time
How can we know this?
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@Horace said in And y'all bitched about the pardons...:
and we can know that they knew that at the time
How can we know this?
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 17:50 last edited by@jon-nyc On the basic principle that when an expert weighs in on something, thereby abandoning the default position of "I don't know", and backs it with their credibility as black box thinkers with access to information and expertise that laymen do not have access to, and then they are proven wrong in retrospect, that those experts fell victim to a human failing. I'm uninterested in any attempt to disentangle motivated reasoning or tribal groupthink from outright dishonesty, because in the human mind, there is no bright line between them. In your world you can continue to believe that honest and well intentioned mistakes were made, while everybody else can see the convenience of that puzzle piece in your preferred narratives.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 17:55 last edited by
All you’re saying is that they’re wrong. You’re not addressing how ‘we can know that they knew that at the time’.
