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Well, die then.

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:

    @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

    Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.

    It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.

    You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.

    And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.

    Not hers. Yours.

    You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.

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    @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:

    @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

    Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.

    It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.

    You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.

    And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.

    Not hers. Yours.

    You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.

    You didn't read what I said. I said I don't necessarily agree with the medics.

    And I'm not demanding anything. I'm commenting on a news story.

    I was only joking

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      #37

      And let me tell you something else, sister... I've been a white coat for over 40 years. Hospital staff works on a shitload of patients that may not make it or are a waste of resources.

      Just last Sunday, my little part of the world pulled out all the stops to save a 62 year-old alky with seizures, most likely due to her 328 blood ETOH. I know it was 328, because I ran it diluted vs. undiluted and took the average, since the diluted result was within the AMR.

      By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.

      After all, we can make our treatment rules, can't we?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        And another thing ...We jump through hoops routinely to accommodate Jehovah's Witness patients, and I consider JH's to be a cult.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          And let me tell you something else, sister... I've been a white coat for over 40 years. Hospital staff works on a shitload of patients that may not make it or are a waste of resources.

          Just last Sunday, my little part of the world pulled out all the stops to save a 62 year-old alky with seizures, most likely due to her 328 blood ETOH. I know it was 328, because I ran it diluted vs. undiluted and took the average, since the diluted result was within the AMR.

          By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.

          After all, we can make our treatment rules, can't we?

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          @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

          By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.

          Haven't you said in the past that people who won't look after themselves should be left to die?

          I was only joking

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            Jolly
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            #40

            About some people, yes.

            Usually the dopers that are in the ED for the umpteenth time.

            I trust you can see the distinction between the frequent flyers and the occasional fuck-up.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              There is no next child in line, per se.

              Either a heart matches or it does not.

              Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.

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              @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

              There is no next child in line, per se.

              Either a heart matches or it does not.

              Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.

              There’s always someone next in line.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                As of the latest available data, precise numbers of pediatric patients currently on the heart transplant waiting list are not publicly disclosed in real-time. However, historical data provides some context:
                • Transplants Performed: In 2020, there were 465 pediatric heart transplants performed in the United States, a slight decrease from 509 in 2019. 
                • Waitlist Outcomes: A study analyzing pediatric heart transplant candidates listed between July 2016 and April 2019 found that out of 1,789 candidates, 65% underwent heart transplantation, 14% died or deteriorated while waiting, 8% were removed from the list due to improvement, and 13% were still waiting at the end of the study period. 

                These figures suggest that at any given time, there are several hundred pediatric patients awaiting heart transplants in the U.S. For the most current and specific numbers, it’s advisable to consult the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) or the Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients (SRTR), which regularly publish detailed statistics on transplant waitlists and outcomes.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

                  There is no next child in line, per se.

                  Either a heart matches or it does not.

                  Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.

                  There’s always someone next in line.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Well, die then.:

                  @Jolly said in Well, die then.:

                  There is no next child in line, per se.

                  Either a heart matches or it does not.

                  Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.

                  There’s always someone next in line.

                  Not that matches.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Almost always yes. There are only so many variables. Often the next in line is at another center, but it’s rare for organs to not find a match. Almost unheard of Unless of course there’s something wrong with them

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      That was the premise I was going off of, too, Jon.

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