Well, die then.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 17:33 last edited by
In any case, it is ultimately the mother's choice. If she feels that it is more important that her daughter not have a COVID vaccine, rather than get a new heart, the next child in line that gets that heart will thank her.
Part of living in a civilized society is that there are rules. I am not agree with all of them, but I understand that "most" rules are there for a reason.
It may be against my religion to follow speed limits as god wants me to be free and not constrained by earthly limits. But, I also understand that there may be consequences to following my religious rule vs. societies rule. And I may have to compromise or accept the consequences.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:00 last edited by
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
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There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:01 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get her compromised child vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
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@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get her compromised child vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:05 last edited by Jolly@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
Not hers. Yours.
You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:05 last edited by Renauda
A lot of rapists and murderers have said they heard voices telling them to do what they did.
The alleged imaginary whispers of some holy spirit forbidding a vaccine do not stand scrutiny under any circumstance.
It’s either superstition or mental illness. Possibly a pathological combination of both. Take your pick.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
Not hers. Yours.
You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.
wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:08 last edited by@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
Not hers. Yours.
You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.
You didn't read what I said. I said I don't necessarily agree with the medics.
And I'm not demanding anything. I'm commenting on a news story.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:12 last edited by Jolly
And let me tell you something else, sister... I've been a white coat for over 40 years. Hospital staff works on a shitload of patients that may not make it or are a waste of resources.
Just last Sunday, my little part of the world pulled out all the stops to save a 62 year-old alky with seizures, most likely due to her 328 blood ETOH. I know it was 328, because I ran it diluted vs. undiluted and took the average, since the diluted result was within the AMR.
By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.
After all, we can make our treatment rules, can't we?
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:14 last edited by
And another thing ...We jump through hoops routinely to accommodate Jehovah's Witness patients, and I consider JH's to be a cult.
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And let me tell you something else, sister... I've been a white coat for over 40 years. Hospital staff works on a shitload of patients that may not make it or are a waste of resources.
Just last Sunday, my little part of the world pulled out all the stops to save a 62 year-old alky with seizures, most likely due to her 328 blood ETOH. I know it was 328, because I ran it diluted vs. undiluted and took the average, since the diluted result was within the AMR.
By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.
After all, we can make our treatment rules, can't we?
wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:28 last edited by@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.
Haven't you said in the past that people who won't look after themselves should be left to die?
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:35 last edited by
About some people, yes.
Usually the dopers that are in the ED for the umpteenth time.
I trust you can see the distinction between the frequent flyers and the occasional fuck-up.
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There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 22:56 last edited by@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
There’s always someone next in line.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 22:58 last edited by
As of the latest available data, precise numbers of pediatric patients currently on the heart transplant waiting list are not publicly disclosed in real-time. However, historical data provides some context:
• Transplants Performed: In 2020, there were 465 pediatric heart transplants performed in the United States, a slight decrease from 509 in 2019. 
• Waitlist Outcomes: A study analyzing pediatric heart transplant candidates listed between July 2016 and April 2019 found that out of 1,789 candidates, 65% underwent heart transplantation, 14% died or deteriorated while waiting, 8% were removed from the list due to improvement, and 13% were still waiting at the end of the study period. These figures suggest that at any given time, there are several hundred pediatric patients awaiting heart transplants in the U.S. For the most current and specific numbers, it’s advisable to consult the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) or the Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients (SRTR), which regularly publish detailed statistics on transplant waitlists and outcomes.
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@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
There’s always someone next in line.
wrote on 14 Feb 2025, 00:35 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
There’s always someone next in line.
Not that matches.
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wrote on 14 Feb 2025, 02:41 last edited by
Almost always yes. There are only so many variables. Often the next in line is at another center, but it’s rare for organs to not find a match. Almost unheard of Unless of course there’s something wrong with them
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wrote on 14 Feb 2025, 03:57 last edited by
That was the premise I was going off of, too, Jon.