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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 19:40 last edited by
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    Maybe it was lack of performance related.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      12 Feb 2025, 16:29

      Welcome to Donald Trump’s America.

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      Tom-K
      wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 19:43 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in 5% reduction:

      Welcome to Donald Trump’s Ronald Reagan's America.

      This kind of thing has been going on a long time.

      Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:13 last edited by
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        The term layoff is an abuse of the original word. Layoff used to be a descriptor for positions such as factories that needed to slow down for a refit, or maybe there was a temporary lack of work that was not expected to be long term. Employees were “laid off” with a general understanding that there would be a job waiting for them at a point in the future. There were 6 week layoffs, 10 week, etc… Then it just became a euphemism for firing people. Stupid.

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          Horace
          wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:16 last edited by
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          It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • H Horace
            12 Feb 2025, 20:16

            It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:19 last edited by
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            @Horace said in 5% reduction:

            It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

            I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

            The Brad

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            • 8 89th
              12 Feb 2025, 18:57

              I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

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              Jolly
              wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:20 last edited by
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              @89th said in 5% reduction:

              I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

              When my son was laid off from JAMF, he'd just received a substantial bonus. It was explained to him that upper management took a last hired, first laid-off approach.

              This could be the same thing. It's not effective, but it's lawyer-proof.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • L LuFins Dad
                12 Feb 2025, 20:19

                @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:21 last edited by
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                @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                In the UK, they're referred to as 'redundancies', as in 'you've been made redundant'. It's a depressing word for a depressing thing.

                I was only joking

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  12 Feb 2025, 20:19

                  @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                  It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                  I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:33 last edited by
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                  Call it staff reduction

                  That's what it was called when Mr. Reagan did this - Reduction In Force.

                  Government employees got riffed.

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                  • J Jolly
                    12 Feb 2025, 20:20

                    @89th said in 5% reduction:

                    I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

                    When my son was laid off from JAMF, he'd just received a substantial bonus. It was explained to him that upper management took a last hired, first laid-off approach.

                    This could be the same thing. It's not effective, but it's lawyer-proof.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:47 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in 5% reduction:

                    @89th said in 5% reduction:

                    I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

                    When my son was laid off from JAMF, he'd just received a substantial bonus. It was explained to him that upper management took a last hired, first laid-off approach.

                    This could be the same thing. It's not effective, but it's lawyer-proof.

                    Demonstrably not the case here. One of my co-workers who was around when I got acquired into this company in 2004, was let go.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • D Doctor Phibes
                      12 Feb 2025, 20:21

                      @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                      @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                      It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                      I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                      In the UK, they're referred to as 'redundancies', as in 'you've been made redundant'. It's a depressing word for a depressing thing.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 21:54 last edited by jon-nyc
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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in 5% reduction:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                      @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                      It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                      I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                      In the UK, they're referred to as 'redundancies', as in 'you've been made redundant'. It's a depressing word for a depressing thing.

                      Yeah, that was always the most depressing way to put it. At CS we'd have one action and they'd call it a RIF in the US and redundancy in the UK.

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      • L LuFins Dad
                        12 Feb 2025, 16:34

                        There will be lots of jobs opening up in agriculture and restaurant, according to @taiwan_girl

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:36 last edited by
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                        @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                        There will be lots of jobs opening up in agriculture and restaurant, according to @taiwan_girl

                        😂 😂 👍

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:38 last edited by
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                          In my understand, if it is a "layoff", that job position (or at least that job title) is being eliminated. So, a lot of companies will "layoff" their worst employees, and then get a new person, hiring them with a slightly different job title, so they are within the law. LOL

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:39 last edited by
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                            I don't know the laws of which anybody speaks, other than civil rights laws about race, gender, etc. Granted, lawsuits can be brought for any flimsy reason shoe-horned into one of those established protected categories, but other than that, a private company can fire whomever they please for whatever reason they please.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:48 last edited by Renauda
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                              Chevron announces layoffs for 20% of its global workforce:

                              https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/12/chevron-global-layoffs

                              Elbows up!

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 17:22 last edited by
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                                Is it time to post a "I did that!" meme? LOL

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                                  13 Feb 2025, 17:22

                                  Is it time to post a "I did that!" meme? LOL

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:50 last edited by
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                                  @taiwan_girl

                                  Not quite yet.

                                  Probaby soon enough though.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 14 Feb 2025, 17:50 last edited by
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                                    https://www.reuters.com/business/packaging-firm-international-paper-close-four-us-plants-cut-1-global-jobs-2025-02-13/

                                    International Paper (IP.N), opens new tab said on Thursday it was shutting down four production facilities in the U.S. and laying off about 1% of its global workforce to tackle softer demand for its packaging products from e-commerce and consumer goods firms.

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                                      14 Feb 2025, 17:50

                                      https://www.reuters.com/business/packaging-firm-international-paper-close-four-us-plants-cut-1-global-jobs-2025-02-13/

                                      International Paper (IP.N), opens new tab said on Thursday it was shutting down four production facilities in the U.S. and laying off about 1% of its global workforce to tackle softer demand for its packaging products from e-commerce and consumer goods firms.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 14 Feb 2025, 21:16 last edited by Jolly
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in 5% reduction:

                                      https://www.reuters.com/business/packaging-firm-international-paper-close-four-us-plants-cut-1-global-jobs-2025-02-13/

                                      International Paper (IP.N), opens new tab said on Thursday it was shutting down four production facilities in the U.S. and laying off about 1% of its global workforce to tackle softer demand for its packaging products from e-commerce and consumer goods firms.

                                      Yep, Campti is one if them. It used to be Willamette, until IP bought them.

                                      IP is just being IP. If you know the industry, people spit when they say the name.

                                      IP typically buys a mill or maybe a string of them from somebody like Boise or Willamette, then proceeds to run the mill into the ground. As little maintenance as possible, OT rather than a full TO and absolutely no new capital outlay. When they wring every dime they can out of the mill, they close it and then try to sell the property, usually economically devastating the small towns where those paper mills are at.

                                      When the management at IP dies, I'd love to go to the funeral. I've never seen anybody screwed into the ground.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 15 Feb 2025, 18:38 last edited by
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                                        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-15/houston-s-oldest-refinery-is-shutting-it-won-t-be-the-last

                                        After more than a century of churning out fuel on the banks of the Houston Ship Channel, the city’s oldest refinery is preparing to shut down, potentially putting hundreds of people out of work. Its competitors are welcoming its demise.

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