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    Horace
    wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 18:28 last edited by Horace 2 Dec 2025, 18:28
    #7

    One interesting cut in this round was a software developer from a recent acquisition, less than a year ago. He was brought in at the top possible grade for that role, one which the company very rarely gives to existing employees. I have to imagine he demanded it under threat that he would walk with his expertise in the acquired company's product. He spent 10 months as a top performing and gracious developer, sharing his knowledge and mentoring people (from what I understand from his Linkedin post today), and was blindsided by the layoff this week. I have to wonder whether his negotiation for that rare top job grade, left a bad taste with the wrong person. His immediate manager, who is a complete tool, was shocked that he was let go as well, but mid-level managers don't make these sorts of decisions at this company.

    The company's official messaging about this stuff is always that it's not "performance related", but that only leaves a random lottery system where employees have to hope they're not left standing in some game of reorganizational musical chairs. But I doubt anybody buys that these things are not performance (or personality/politics) related.

    Education is extremely important.

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      89th
      wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 18:57 last edited by
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      I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 19:25 last edited by
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        When we had layoffs at my previous company they repeatedly said that they weren't performance related, but strangely enough we could predict almost all of the people who were let go with about 90% accuracy.

        I was only joking

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 19:40 last edited by
          #10

          Maybe it was lack of performance related.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            12 Feb 2025, 16:29

            Welcome to Donald Trump’s America.

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            Tom-K
            wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 19:43 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in 5% reduction:

            Welcome to Donald Trump’s Ronald Reagan's America.

            This kind of thing has been going on a long time.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:13 last edited by
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              The term layoff is an abuse of the original word. Layoff used to be a descriptor for positions such as factories that needed to slow down for a refit, or maybe there was a temporary lack of work that was not expected to be long term. Employees were “laid off” with a general understanding that there would be a job waiting for them at a point in the future. There were 6 week layoffs, 10 week, etc… Then it just became a euphemism for firing people. Stupid.

              The Brad

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                Horace
                wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:16 last edited by
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                It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • H Horace
                  12 Feb 2025, 20:16

                  It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:19 last edited by
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                  @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                  It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                  I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                  The Brad

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                    12 Feb 2025, 18:57

                    I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:20 last edited by
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                    @89th said in 5% reduction:

                    I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

                    When my son was laid off from JAMF, he'd just received a substantial bonus. It was explained to him that upper management took a last hired, first laid-off approach.

                    This could be the same thing. It's not effective, but it's lawyer-proof.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      12 Feb 2025, 20:19

                      @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                      It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                      I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:21 last edited by
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                      @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                      @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                      It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                      I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                      In the UK, they're referred to as 'redundancies', as in 'you've been made redundant'. It's a depressing word for a depressing thing.

                      I was only joking

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                      • L LuFins Dad
                        12 Feb 2025, 20:19

                        @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                        It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                        I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:33 last edited by
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                        @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                        Call it staff reduction

                        That's what it was called when Mr. Reagan did this - Reduction In Force.

                        Government employees got riffed.

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                        • J Jolly
                          12 Feb 2025, 20:20

                          @89th said in 5% reduction:

                          I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

                          When my son was laid off from JAMF, he'd just received a substantial bonus. It was explained to him that upper management took a last hired, first laid-off approach.

                          This could be the same thing. It's not effective, but it's lawyer-proof.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:47 last edited by
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                          @Jolly said in 5% reduction:

                          @89th said in 5% reduction:

                          I mean there is a good chance it's not performance related, but perhaps a shift in what the company wants to spend money on (or not). Let's just hope they don't target fig tree farmers next!

                          When my son was laid off from JAMF, he'd just received a substantial bonus. It was explained to him that upper management took a last hired, first laid-off approach.

                          This could be the same thing. It's not effective, but it's lawyer-proof.

                          Demonstrably not the case here. One of my co-workers who was around when I got acquired into this company in 2004, was let go.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            12 Feb 2025, 20:21

                            @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                            @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                            It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                            I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                            In the UK, they're referred to as 'redundancies', as in 'you've been made redundant'. It's a depressing word for a depressing thing.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 21:54 last edited by jon-nyc
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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in 5% reduction:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                            @Horace said in 5% reduction:

                            It retains a much different connotation than "fired" though. And companies usually treat it differently for the purposes of severance.

                            I get that, but it’s not a layoff. Call it staff reduction, Let go without cause, whatever. But keep the layoff title for actual layoffs.

                            In the UK, they're referred to as 'redundancies', as in 'you've been made redundant'. It's a depressing word for a depressing thing.

                            Yeah, that was always the most depressing way to put it. At CS we'd have one action and they'd call it a RIF in the US and redundancy in the UK.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • L LuFins Dad
                              12 Feb 2025, 16:34

                              There will be lots of jobs opening up in agriculture and restaurant, according to @taiwan_girl

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:36 last edited by
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                              @LuFins-Dad said in 5% reduction:

                              There will be lots of jobs opening up in agriculture and restaurant, according to @taiwan_girl

                              😂 😂 👍

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:38 last edited by
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                                In my understand, if it is a "layoff", that job position (or at least that job title) is being eliminated. So, a lot of companies will "layoff" their worst employees, and then get a new person, hiring them with a slightly different job title, so they are within the law. LOL

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:39 last edited by
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                                  I don't know the laws of which anybody speaks, other than civil rights laws about race, gender, etc. Granted, lawsuits can be brought for any flimsy reason shoe-horned into one of those established protected categories, but other than that, a private company can fire whomever they please for whatever reason they please.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 16:48 last edited by Renauda
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                                    Chevron announces layoffs for 20% of its global workforce:

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/12/chevron-global-layoffs

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 17:22 last edited by
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                                      Is it time to post a "I did that!" meme? LOL

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                                      • T taiwan_girl
                                        13 Feb 2025, 17:22

                                        Is it time to post a "I did that!" meme? LOL

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 13 Feb 2025, 18:50 last edited by
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                                        @taiwan_girl

                                        Not quite yet.

                                        Probaby soon enough though.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on 14 Feb 2025, 17:50 last edited by
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                                          https://www.reuters.com/business/packaging-firm-international-paper-close-four-us-plants-cut-1-global-jobs-2025-02-13/

                                          International Paper (IP.N), opens new tab said on Thursday it was shutting down four production facilities in the U.S. and laying off about 1% of its global workforce to tackle softer demand for its packaging products from e-commerce and consumer goods firms.

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