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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 9 Feb 2025, 02:40 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Sept 2025, 02:41
    #26

    I was driving from central CT to central Jersey to be the best man in a friend’s wedding when that happened. It happened early in the drive and I listened to live coverage on NPR the whole day.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 9 Feb 2025, 02:46 last edited by
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      Luke’s godmother’s mother was in the building. She didn’t die in the blast, but 6 months later from all the shit she inhaled.

      The Brad

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      • C Copper
        9 Feb 2025, 02:21

        @Horace said in Quiet here:

        They have interesting systems these days.

        That is a challenge.

        It seems like there must be some holes in that system.

        They need some of those glasses like Tom Cruise has where the guy in the truck can see everything that Tom sees.

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        Horace
        wrote on 9 Feb 2025, 03:15 last edited by
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        @Copper said in Quiet here:

        @Horace said in Quiet here:

        They have interesting systems these days.

        That is a challenge.

        It seems like there must be some holes in that system.

        They need some of those glasses like Tom Cruise has where the guy in the truck can see everything that Tom sees.

        Oh, it would be easy to cheat, even with their precautions. I am sure some students do. Could just flip the keyboard and monitor to a hidden laptop, and use online tools to solve the integrals and derivatives. They provide the whole step by step solution, not just an answer, so the scratch paper will still look good. The webcam can't see your monitor.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • J jon-nyc
          9 Feb 2025, 00:21

          I don’t know. I haven’t tested for anything. Cough, fever, sniffles.

          The boy had something similar S-Tue, but I flew out Tuesday and this hit me Friday afternoon. He was Covid negative.

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          kluurs
          wrote on 9 Feb 2025, 03:41 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in Quiet here:

          I don’t know. I haven’t tested for anything. Cough, fever, sniffles.

          Same symptoms here. I'll do the Covid test tomorrow.

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          • L LuFins Dad
            9 Feb 2025, 02:46

            Luke’s godmother’s mother was in the building. She didn’t die in the blast, but 6 months later from all the shit she inhaled.

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            Mik
            wrote on 9 Feb 2025, 04:11 last edited by Mik 2 Sept 2025, 04:12
            #30

            @LuFins-Dad said in Quiet here:

            Luke’s godmother’s mother was in the building. She didn’t die in the blast, but 6 months later from all the shit she inhaled.

            I vividly remember driving thru Indiana the day McVeigh was executed. AMF.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • H Horace
              8 Feb 2025, 23:29

              Took my first Calc 2 midterm this morning, in my all-online class. They have interesting systems these days. First they have a "biometric" ID system where you show your driver license to the webcam, then use your mouse to "sign" a password. You repeat that signature a few times, and then they make you provide that password before the exam. You have to use a special "lockdown" browser which takes your whole screen and prevents you from opening any other windows. Before the test, you sweep your room with the webcam to establish you don't have cheat sheets on the walls. Then you keep the webcam trained on your face for the whole test. There was a two hour time limit and it was brutal. 19 mostly non-trivial questions, so I didn't have time to ponder. Either you are perfectly fluid with the techniques, or you are toast. Filled up five sides of 8x11 paper. I got through all of the questions, but I know I missed at least one due to haste. Hopefully that's the only one I missed, but I am not betting on it. It will be interesting to see the curve. The online grade system gives you a grade distribution, like where the quartile cutoffs are.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 10 Feb 2025, 17:57 last edited by
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              @Horace Good luck!!

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              • K kluurs
                9 Feb 2025, 03:41

                @jon-nyc said in Quiet here:

                I don’t know. I haven’t tested for anything. Cough, fever, sniffles.

                Same symptoms here. I'll do the Covid test tomorrow.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 10 Feb 2025, 20:27 last edited by
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                @kluurs said in Quiet here:

                @jon-nyc said in Quiet here:

                I don’t know. I haven’t tested for anything. Cough, fever, sniffles.

                Same symptoms here. I'll do the Covid test tomorrow.

                And? I was Covid negative last night.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  blondie
                  wrote on 10 Feb 2025, 21:46 last edited by
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                  @Horace Wow. Calculus. How excellent. You’re a smart one!

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                  • B blondie
                    10 Feb 2025, 21:46

                    @Horace Wow. Calculus. How excellent. You’re a smart one!

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 10 Feb 2025, 23:02 last edited by
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                    @blondie Well, they teach this stuff in high school to the brighter kids. I will not be surprised if I get humbled as I attempt to progress through post-graduate classes.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 14:39 last edited by
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                      Good news and bad news about my test score. I got a 95, because the professor is reasonable with the partial credit. In a five point problem, if you made a calculator error at the final step, you only lose one point. This is how I scraped by with the 95. Bad news is that the whole class did well, with a median score of 89, so the time limit apparently wasn't an issue for very many people. I'll have to recalibrate how fast I go on these exams.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • H Horace
                        12 Feb 2025, 14:39

                        Good news and bad news about my test score. I got a 95, because the professor is reasonable with the partial credit. In a five point problem, if you made a calculator error at the final step, you only lose one point. This is how I scraped by with the 95. Bad news is that the whole class did well, with a median score of 89, so the time limit apparently wasn't an issue for very many people. I'll have to recalibrate how fast I go on these exams.

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 18:42 last edited by
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                        @Horace said in Quiet here:

                        if you made a calculator error at the final step, you only lose one point. This is how I scraped by with the 95.

                        That is good. It proves that you know "how" to do the problem. That is more important than getting the right answer buy not understanding how you got it.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:28 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Dec 2025, 20:31
                          #37

                          Just curious, Horace, how does o3-mini do on that test? Or any other reasoning model?

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • J jon-nyc
                            12 Feb 2025, 20:28

                            Just curious, Horace, how does o3-mini do on that test? Or any other reasoning model?

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 20:49 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc Mosty standard derivatives and integrals, so I guess pretty well. For instance, https://www.symbolab.com/solver/integral-calculator is able to solve any of them, though that's a hand-written system of logic rather than a generative AI.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              kluurs
                              wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 21:04 last edited by
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                              I think I told this story once before. In high school calc, our teacher liked to give power tests - essentially tests that could not be completed in the time provided. Calculators hadn't been invented at that point in time. When we got to integral calculus I did the test but failed to add "+C", C being the constant. He deducted a point for every question. Next power test - I went through all 70 questions and wrote "+C" before starting any calculations. He have me partial credit for them - of course, that sparked some disdain from the rest of the class. The instructor assured us this was the last time he would allow that gambit. From my perspective, karma and equilibrium had been restored to my personal universe.

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                              • J jon-nyc
                                12 Feb 2025, 20:28

                                Just curious, Horace, how does o3-mini do on that test? Or any other reasoning model?

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 21:10 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc Actually come to think of it, that website can't do solids of revolution problems where you have to set up the integral and solve it rather than solve a given integral. It would be interesting how the AIs would do on those. Could try a slightly complicated one like "the volume of the solid of revolution about y=7 of the region between y=x^2 and y=x".

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • K kluurs
                                  12 Feb 2025, 21:04

                                  I think I told this story once before. In high school calc, our teacher liked to give power tests - essentially tests that could not be completed in the time provided. Calculators hadn't been invented at that point in time. When we got to integral calculus I did the test but failed to add "+C", C being the constant. He deducted a point for every question. Next power test - I went through all 70 questions and wrote "+C" before starting any calculations. He have me partial credit for them - of course, that sparked some disdain from the rest of the class. The instructor assured us this was the last time he would allow that gambit. From my perspective, karma and equilibrium had been restored to my personal universe.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 21:11 last edited by
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                                  @kluurs said in Quiet here:

                                  I think I told this story once before. In high school calc, our teacher liked to give power tests - essentially tests that could not be completed in the time provided. Calculators hadn't been invented at that point in time. When we got to integral calculus I did the test but failed to add "+C", C being the constant. He deducted a point for every question. Next power test - I went through all 70 questions and wrote "+C" before starting any calculations. He have me partial credit for them - of course, that sparked some disdain from the rest of the class. The instructor assured us this was the last time he would allow that gambit. From my perspective, karma and equilibrium had been restored to my personal universe.

                                  That's well gamed. And the teacher accepted his loss gracefully.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 15 Feb 2025, 20:10 last edited by
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                                    Compare this Saturday’s active threads vs last week’s…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • L LuFins Dad
                                      15 Feb 2025, 20:10

                                      Compare this Saturday’s active threads vs last week’s…

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 15 Feb 2025, 21:23 last edited by
                                      #43

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Quiet here:

                                      Compare this Saturday’s active threads vs last week’s…

                                      Nobody ever said this would be easy.

                                      But maybe we could ask Mr. Musk if he could take a moment and cut a few threads.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 15 Feb 2025, 21:46 last edited by
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                                        How do you do that comparison?

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 15 Feb 2025, 21:59 last edited by
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                                          From memory it’s much busier today.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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