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  3. At what point, if any, will ubiquitous cameras become a 4A issue?

At what point, if any, will ubiquitous cameras become a 4A issue?

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 01:26 last edited by
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    Especially when AI and facial recognition are involved?

    A preview of some of the issues with, for now, license plate readers.

    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 14:23 last edited by
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      Maybe I am not knowing much about this, but cameras are used all over. A fuzzy picture can be cleared up, etc. Not sure why a license plate would be different. 🤷

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 14:26 last edited by
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        Not sure what you mean. This isn’t about technical capabilities, it’s about whether ubiquitous tracking at some points will be considered an ‘unreasonable search’ under the 4th amendment.

        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          7 Feb 2025, 14:26

          Not sure what you mean. This isn’t about technical capabilities, it’s about whether ubiquitous tracking at some points will be considered an ‘unreasonable search’ under the 4th amendment.

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 15:52 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc I guess what I was trying to say is that it is already there.

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            Mik
            wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 15:53 last edited by
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            It's worth considering. How much of an invasion of privacy is this, or not, while using public thoroughfares?

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Copper
              wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 17:27 last edited by
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              We have a license plate reader at the entrance to our neighborhood, I don't like it.

              The idea is that only the police can see the plates, it is supposed to catch criminals who come here to burglarize our homes.

              In the 3-4 years it has been installed I don't think it has caught anyone.

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                7 Feb 2025, 17:27

                We have a license plate reader at the entrance to our neighborhood, I don't like it.

                The idea is that only the police can see the plates, it is supposed to catch criminals who come here to burglarize our homes.

                In the 3-4 years it has been installed I don't think it has caught anyone.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 17:40 last edited by
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                @Copper Has anyone been burgled?

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 19:03 last edited by
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                  No.

                  Before the camera they were a few cases where things were removed from unlocked cars.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 19:30 last edited by
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                    Cameras are everywhere in the UK, and they've helped catch criminals, solve murders etc.

                    I'm not convinced it's worth it.

                    I was only joking

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 20:35 last edited by
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                      The innocent have nothing to fear.

                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                        Rich
                        wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 20:38 last edited by
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                        Well then we'll just have to come up with something for them to be guilty of.

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