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At what point, if any, will ubiquitous cameras become a 4A issue?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    Especially when AI and facial recognition are involved?

    A preview of some of the issues with, for now, license plate readers.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
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      #2

      Maybe I am not knowing much about this, but cameras are used all over. A fuzzy picture can be cleared up, etc. Not sure why a license plate would be different. 🤷

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        Not sure what you mean. This isn’t about technical capabilities, it’s about whether ubiquitous tracking at some points will be considered an ‘unreasonable search’ under the 4th amendment.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Not sure what you mean. This isn’t about technical capabilities, it’s about whether ubiquitous tracking at some points will be considered an ‘unreasonable search’ under the 4th amendment.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          #4

          @jon-nyc I guess what I was trying to say is that it is already there.

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          • MikM Offline
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            It's worth considering. How much of an invasion of privacy is this, or not, while using public thoroughfares?

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • CopperC Offline
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              #6

              We have a license plate reader at the entrance to our neighborhood, I don't like it.

              The idea is that only the police can see the plates, it is supposed to catch criminals who come here to burglarize our homes.

              In the 3-4 years it has been installed I don't think it has caught anyone.

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              • CopperC Copper

                We have a license plate reader at the entrance to our neighborhood, I don't like it.

                The idea is that only the police can see the plates, it is supposed to catch criminals who come here to burglarize our homes.

                In the 3-4 years it has been installed I don't think it has caught anyone.

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                taiwan_girl
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                #7

                @Copper Has anyone been burgled?

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #8

                  No.

                  Before the camera they were a few cases where things were removed from unlocked cars.

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                    Cameras are everywhere in the UK, and they've helped catch criminals, solve murders etc.

                    I'm not convinced it's worth it.

                    I was only joking

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                      The innocent have nothing to fear.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        Well then we'll just have to come up with something for them to be guilty of.

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