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At what point, if any, will ubiquitous cameras become a 4A issue?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    Especially when AI and facial recognition are involved?

    A preview of some of the issues with, for now, license plate readers.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
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      #2

      Maybe I am not knowing much about this, but cameras are used all over. A fuzzy picture can be cleared up, etc. Not sure why a license plate would be different. 🤷

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        Not sure what you mean. This isn’t about technical capabilities, it’s about whether ubiquitous tracking at some points will be considered an ā€˜unreasonable search’ under the 4th amendment.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Not sure what you mean. This isn’t about technical capabilities, it’s about whether ubiquitous tracking at some points will be considered an ā€˜unreasonable search’ under the 4th amendment.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          @jon-nyc I guess what I was trying to say is that it is already there.

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
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            It's worth considering. How much of an invasion of privacy is this, or not, while using public thoroughfares?

            ā€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.ā€ ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • CopperC Offline
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              We have a license plate reader at the entrance to our neighborhood, I don't like it.

              The idea is that only the police can see the plates, it is supposed to catch criminals who come here to burglarize our homes.

              In the 3-4 years it has been installed I don't think it has caught anyone.

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              • CopperC Copper

                We have a license plate reader at the entrance to our neighborhood, I don't like it.

                The idea is that only the police can see the plates, it is supposed to catch criminals who come here to burglarize our homes.

                In the 3-4 years it has been installed I don't think it has caught anyone.

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                taiwan_girl
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                #7

                @Copper Has anyone been burgled?

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  No.

                  Before the camera they were a few cases where things were removed from unlocked cars.

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                    Cameras are everywhere in the UK, and they've helped catch criminals, solve murders etc.

                    I'm not convinced it's worth it.

                    I was only joking

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                      The innocent have nothing to fear.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        Rich
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                        Well then we'll just have to come up with something for them to be guilty of.

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