Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
The reaction to this is absolutely hilarious. Here’s the secret sauce - Trump throws out a very bold and unconventional idea. People freak out. Trump doubles down, people freak out even more. Concessions get made. Maybe Trump gets what he wants, maybe he doesn’t, but he gets more than he had. Repeat ad nauseum…
But aside from that, what ARE they going to do in Gaza? Send 2 million people back into that hellhole that’s falling apart, with buildings ready to collapse? California isn’t letting their own residents back into neighborhoods that were burned down, why would we think sending Palestinians back to their shelled cities is any better? And what do we think is going to happen? The Arab nations have shown no willingness to rebuild Gaza or help the Palestinians. They also have proven over and over that there is 0 interest on their part for a true 2 state solution, so let’s stop that foolishness right now. You can’t seriously expect Israel to go in and rebuild the infrastructure AGAIN. All polls show the Palestinians still love Hamas. It’s insanity to keep expecting things to change when we keep doing the same things. The only real solution that I can see is for a third party to step in and administer Gaza, and that sure as hell ain’t going to be the UN. Especially after their groups PARTICIPATED in the frigging attacks?
A US administered Gaza might be about the only possible new solution, and it will be a bitch of a job.
Don't you get the the teensiest feeling that he's all over the place? Greenland, Canada, Mexico, China, Gaza, Inflation, Tarrifs.... and so on.
There's no strategy. It's just one "bright idea" being thrown out after another. It feels like those fucking annoying leadership courses where you have to sit in a room with a bunch of marketing weasels and build a bridge out of straws and rubber bands. Anybody with an ounce of common sense leaves the gob-shite in sales to get on with it and make an arse of himself whilst ensuring they're at the front of the line for the lunch buffet.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
There's no strategy. It's just one "bright idea" being thrown out after another.
This. I think it is true what @Renauda quoted Amb. Bolton that
"He does not have a philosophy. He does not do grand strategy on national security. He doesn't do policy as we normally understand that term ... There's no master plan. That's beyond Trump's capability".
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The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
For contrast, the secret service has a budget of about USD$3B/year, with
$1.2 billion in funding for Protective Operations — the division that oversees protection for the president, vice president and their families.
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The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
For contrast, the secret service has a budget of about USD$3B/year, with
$1.2 billion in funding for Protective Operations — the division that oversees protection for the president, vice president and their families.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
I worked at AID for about a year in 1980.
They have always worked closely with the CIA. The relationship is inevitable, planned or not.
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In all the flutter of Rivieras and American ownerships whatTrump really accomplished was to float the notion of a Gaza without Palestinians into the conversation. What happens to Gaza itself is incidental. Getting the Palestinians out of Israel and to into Arabia or Egypt or some other Moslem country transfers the problem of what to do with those psychopaths to the people who are responsible for most of these issues in the first place.
Getting the Palestinians out of Israel and to into Arabia or Egypt or some other Moslem country transfers the problem of what to do with those psychopaths to the people who are responsible for most of these issues in the first place.
I do not think any one would question the accuracy of that, other than those guilty of undertaking and perpetrating the mass psychosis governing the Palestinian Arabs.
Forced relocation of whole populations however smacks of a past era the Western world finds repugnant. You know of this very well from your own family’s experiences. In fact, no one whose family lived in Central and Eastern Europe 80 years ago would not know.
Personally I too would like to see the Arab nations step up to the plate and take in these people. But it won’t happen and those who call themselves Palestinians will not have it. Any American led initiative to lead them out of their present ghetto of rubble and into prepared ersatz gated American designed suburbs in someone else’s desert oasis with no right of return to the ruins they claim as their own is, as Horace points out, a non starter.
A zero sum game.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
There's no strategy. It's just one "bright idea" being thrown out after another.
This. I think it is true what @Renauda quoted Amb. Bolton that
"He does not have a philosophy. He does not do grand strategy on national security. He doesn't do policy as we normally understand that term ... There's no master plan. That's beyond Trump's capability".
Bolton would not be my go-to on things Trump.
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Bolton would not be my go-to on things Trump.
Bolton would not be my go-to on things Trump.
On the contrary, John Bolton along with James Mattis, John Kelly, H. R. McMaster and even, Rex Tillerson ought to be the first order of go-to‘s on things Trump. Especially with regard to security, defence and foreign policy.
TG knows that and so do you.
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According to a report from Defence Security Asia, Israel proposed that a significant portion of Egypt's $100B foreign debt through the World Bank be forgiven if Egypt allowed the entry of Palestinian residents from the Gaza Strip through the Rafah border crossing.
However, the Egyptian government has consistently rejected such proposals, expressing concerns over national security and the potential for forced displacement of Palestinians. Egyptian officials have emphasized their refusal to allow the forced expulsion of Palestinian residents from their homeland, citing the potential impact on regional stability.
That proposal floated back when things were just getting messy post October 7. I don't think Egypt's enthusiasm has waned in the months since.
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Speaking of John Bolton:
Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, tells the BBC that the president's proposal to redevelop Gaza into the "Riviera of the Middle East" is "just isn't going to happen".
He says the US role in such a plan would have to be between "slim and none" because "you can't put Americans in that kind of security environment without military protection and that just isn't going to happen".
But he does suggest Palestinians in Gaza be offered resettlement.
"Rebuilding a high-rise refugee camp is not an answer," he says, suggesting instead the possibility of "some kind of resettlement which would not be forcible but which would be consistent with international refugee doctrine".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg4zwwez9et?post=asset%3Aee0e8086-d950-4aaf-b352-187a1b46e6c3#post
Elbows up!
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The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
For contrast, the secret service has a budget of about USD$3B/year, with
$1.2 billion in funding for Protective Operations — the division that oversees protection for the president, vice president and their families.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
I know, up close and personal. 15% Good, 85% Absolutely Criminal.
The USAID pause and reconfiguration is probably my 2nd favorite thing he’s done so far:
The Brad
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The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
For contrast, the secret service has a budget of about USD$3B/year, with
$1.2 billion in funding for Protective Operations — the division that oversees protection for the president, vice president and their families.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
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(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
My mortgage costs me $36,000 per year, so I shouldn’t worry about $10 eggs?
The Brad
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Speaking of John Bolton:
Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, tells the BBC that the president's proposal to redevelop Gaza into the "Riviera of the Middle East" is "just isn't going to happen".
He says the US role in such a plan would have to be between "slim and none" because "you can't put Americans in that kind of security environment without military protection and that just isn't going to happen".
But he does suggest Palestinians in Gaza be offered resettlement.
"Rebuilding a high-rise refugee camp is not an answer," he says, suggesting instead the possibility of "some kind of resettlement which would not be forcible but which would be consistent with international refugee doctrine".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg4zwwez9et?post=asset%3Aee0e8086-d950-4aaf-b352-187a1b46e6c3#post
@Renauda said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
Speaking of John Bolton:
Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, tells the BBC that the president's proposal to redevelop Gaza into the "Riviera of the Middle East" is "just isn't going to happen".
He says the US role in such a plan would have to be between "slim and none" because "you can't put Americans in that kind of security environment without military protection and that just isn't going to happen".
But he does suggest Palestinians in Gaza be offered resettlement.
"Rebuilding a high-rise refugee camp is not an answer," he says, suggesting instead the possibility of "some kind of resettlement which would not be forcible but which would be consistent with international refugee doctrine".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg4zwwez9et?post=asset%3Aee0e8086-d950-4aaf-b352-187a1b46e6c3#post
I seem to recall hearing the Abraham Accords weren’t going to happen. They did. The US owning Gaza isn’t happening. The US rebuilding and administering Gaza for 20 years? And getting temporary refugee settlements during rebuilding? That’s a different question.
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Remember when USAID tried to overthrow Cuba with a social media platform? Good times…
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I seem to recall hearing the Abraham Accords weren’t going to happen. They did.
Yes and all this turning Gaza into an exclusive US development property and forcibly relocating its refugee population in some other Arab country’s desert oasis, is not only undermining the existing Accords but any hope for future expansion of the Accords in the region.
That would be a foreign policy failure.
The US rebuilding and administering Gaza for 20 years? And getting temporary refugee settlements during rebuilding? That’s a different question.
Yes, and Bolton said as much. However what Trump is presently going on about suggests there’s nothing temporary about the resettlement of refugees.
It’s as if he wants to go back the interwar period of Mandates but without the expense having to deploy troops or the inconvenience of any local WOG inhabitants around who might get in the way or go all out religious and stark raving tribal fanatic.
Didn’t work very well first time around. Not likely to work this time either.
- yes I know it’s a politically incorrect racist slur. I assure everyone that it was quite intentional for the sake of emphasis and more than just a spoonful of sarcasm.
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It’s nearly impossible to see a reasonable path forward for Palestinians. But the burden is rightly on Israel. You broke it. As noble a goal as it was, they did not eliminate Hamas.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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It’s nearly impossible to see a reasonable path forward for Palestinians. But the burden is rightly on Israel. You broke it. As noble a goal as it was, they did not eliminate Hamas.
