Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza
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You may well be on to something there, Lufin.
The question of what to do now in Gaza remains. The problem is Hamas also remains. I agree that the solution is for the Gazans to have more to lose than to gain with Hamas. The real question is can we get them to love their children more than they hate Israel. A brighter future, which is admittedly hazy right now, could help.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Mik said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
You may well be on to something there, Lufin.
The question of what to do now in Gaza remains. The problem is Hamas also remains. I agree that the solution is for the Gazans to have more to lose than to gain with Hamas. The real question is can we get them to love their children more than they hate Israel. A brighter future, which is admittedly hazy right now, could help.
I don’t think that happens without a US administered Palestine, with the support of the Saudis and possibly the UE. Even then it will be a dangerous bitch of a job with all of the security issues.
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It's such an obvious non-starter. Trump implied that the Gazans would just board ships and planes and go somewhere willingly, and that destination would take them willingly, while the rebuilding of Gaza proceeded peacefully. No part of that plan is attached to any practical reality. I get the firehose of nonsense shock and awe stuff, and I hope that's it, but anybody who thinks this could conceivably happen as Trump describes, is charitably not very well thought out. IMO.
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@Horace said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
It's such an obvious non-starter. Trump implied that the Gazans would just board ships and planes and go somewhere willingly
You can just stop right there. (I'm agreeing with you btw) The whole reason they are there is because they love that very specific patch of dirt. Dirt anywhere else doesn't matter.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
I think you’re wrong. There is a strategy, and I think the strategy is working.
Fair point, there is a strategy, it's deflection and deliberately generated chaos. How effective it proves in the medium term remains to be seen.
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@Horace said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
It's such an obvious non-starter. Trump implied that the Gazans would just board ships and planes and go somewhere willingly, and that destination would take them willingly, while the rebuilding of Gaza proceeded peacefully. No part of that plan is attached to any practical reality. I get the firehose of nonsense shock and awe stuff, and I hope that's it, but anybody who thinks this could conceivably happen as Trump describes, is charitably not very well thought out. IMO.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
All at the expense of his stated policy goal of building upon the success of the Abraham Accords. His own ME foreign policy initiative! I honestly cannot imagine that anyone who has any expertise in foreign policy would have promoted this idea because it is so untenable.
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In all the flutter of Rivieras and American ownerships whatTrump really accomplished was to float the notion of a Gaza without Palestinians into the conversation. What happens to Gaza itself is incidental. Getting the Palestinians out of Israel and to into Arabia or Egypt or some other Moslem country transfers the problem of what to do with those psychopaths to the people who are responsible for most of these issues in the first place.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
There's no strategy. It's just one "bright idea" being thrown out after another.
This. I think it is true what @Renauda quoted Amb. Bolton that
"He does not have a philosophy. He does not do grand strategy on national security. He doesn't do policy as we normally understand that term ... There's no master plan. That's beyond Trump's capability".
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The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
For contrast, the secret service has a budget of about USD$3B/year, with
$1.2 billion in funding for Protective Operations — the division that oversees protection for the president, vice president and their families.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
I worked at AID for about a year in 1980.
They have always worked closely with the CIA. The relationship is inevitable, planned or not.
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Getting the Palestinians out of Israel and to into Arabia or Egypt or some other Moslem country transfers the problem of what to do with those psychopaths to the people who are responsible for most of these issues in the first place.
I do not think any one would question the accuracy of that, other than those guilty of undertaking and perpetrating the mass psychosis governing the Palestinian Arabs.
Forced relocation of whole populations however smacks of a past era the Western world finds repugnant. You know of this very well from your own family’s experiences. In fact, no one whose family lived in Central and Eastern Europe 80 years ago would not know.
Personally I too would like to see the Arab nations step up to the plate and take in these people. But it won’t happen and those who call themselves Palestinians will not have it. Any American led initiative to lead them out of their present ghetto of rubble and into prepared ersatz gated American designed suburbs in someone else’s desert oasis with no right of return to the ruins they claim as their own is, as Horace points out, a non starter.
A zero sum game.
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Bolton would not be my go-to on things Trump.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
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Bolton would not be my go-to on things Trump.
On the contrary, John Bolton along with James Mattis, John Kelly, H. R. McMaster and even, Rex Tillerson ought to be the first order of go-to‘s on things Trump. Especially with regard to security, defence and foreign policy.
TG knows that and so do you.
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According to a report from Defence Security Asia, Israel proposed that a significant portion of Egypt's $100B foreign debt through the World Bank be forgiven if Egypt allowed the entry of Palestinian residents from the Gaza Strip through the Rafah border crossing.
However, the Egyptian government has consistently rejected such proposals, expressing concerns over national security and the potential for forced displacement of Palestinians. Egyptian officials have emphasized their refusal to allow the forced expulsion of Palestinian residents from their homeland, citing the potential impact on regional stability.
That proposal floated back when things were just getting messy post October 7. I don't think Egypt's enthusiasm has waned in the months since.
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Speaking of John Bolton:
Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, tells the BBC that the president's proposal to redevelop Gaza into the "Riviera of the Middle East" is "just isn't going to happen".
He says the US role in such a plan would have to be between "slim and none" because "you can't put Americans in that kind of security environment without military protection and that just isn't going to happen".
But he does suggest Palestinians in Gaza be offered resettlement.
"Rebuilding a high-rise refugee camp is not an answer," he says, suggesting instead the possibility of "some kind of resettlement which would not be forcible but which would be consistent with international refugee doctrine".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg4zwwez9et?post=asset%3Aee0e8086-d950-4aaf-b352-187a1b46e6c3#post
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump says the USA will takeover Gaza:
The "flavor of the day" seems to be bashing USAID.
How many people here know what they do and how they operate?
(BTW, their budget is about USD$40BB a year. US Budget for the year is USD%6.1 trillion.)
I know, up close and personal. 15% Good, 85% Absolutely Criminal.
The USAID pause and reconfiguration is probably my 2nd favorite thing he’s done so far:
