Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread
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Travelers are responding with their wallets. New bookings to the United States from Canada have declined about 20% since February 1 compared with the year-ago period, according to Forward Keys, a flight ticketing data firm.
United Airlines (UAL.O) CEO Scott Kirby said on Tuesday the company has adjusted its capacity due to a big drop in incoming traffic from Canada.
"We've lost a lot of interest in going to the States in general," said Allyson C., 34, from Vancouver, who canceled her family's summer vacation to Washington, D.C., citing the on-again, off-again tariffs and the U.S. exchange rate.
This worries the U.S. travel industry. Inbound travel to the United States is still just 90% of pre-pandemic levels, Geoff Freeman, CEO of the U.S. Travel Association, said in an interview.
No other country's residents go to the United States more than Canada, which notched 20.4 million visits in 2024. Canadian travelers also spend three times more on vacations than domestic U.S. travelers, said Freeman.
@taiwan_girl said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
... Canadian travelers also spend three times more on vacations than domestic U.S. travelers, said Freeman.
This makes me feel sad.
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According to Nutlick, EU and Canadian retaliatory tariffs are disrespectful:
The US commerce secretary says the EU's move to raise tariffs in response to America's own tariffs is "disrespectful".
Speaking to Bloomberg, Howard Lutnick says: "The president has made it crystal clear that he finds this tit-for-tat really abusive and aggravating.
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Double down and cosplay the victim. That’s fundamental to the Trumpigula playbook..
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Shorter lines at Disney.
And lower domestic vacation prices.
Can we raise those tariffs again, please?
@Copper said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Shorter lines at Disney.
And lower domestic vacation prices.
Can we raise those tariffs again, please?
Passive aggression is a tactic of the weak. You seem to relish its use- KathyK did as well and, like yourself, she too was intellectually bankrupt and was called to account on a daily basis. In your case the drive-by snark attack like the one above only illustrates just how frivolous and dim witted the MAGAt Brethren presents itself to the world. No wonder you garner no respect.
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He says today he’s not gonna bend, subsidizing Canada for $200B a year and the only way Canada works is as a state.
At what point do you (can you) pull the plug on this guy
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Regarding the "someone just drew a line" and the border, here's a youtube video he should probably watch:
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You didn't attend a lot of Trump rallies, did you?
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He sure is pushing a lot of America's chips to the center of the table in this ploy to, what, save a few 10s of billions in some trade agreements that he hopes Canada is motivated to amend? Create a bunch of manufacturing jobs where the workers will be paid so much more than their global counterparts that their products will have no value on the global market?
Education is extremely important.
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That’s the most charitable interpretation.
He could be doing this just because he wants to see others cave (even if we end up at the same or worse spot relative to where we started).
Or he’s a true believer.
I think it’s 2 or 3… but don’t really know.
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The market continues to lend more credence to his seriousness about this stuff, a day at a time. I'm not sure where it'd end up at 100% credence that these tariffs are permanent, and America is essentially isolationist. But I'm very sure that that would not be an economically great America.
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I dunno - I haven’t heard specific businesses complain yet. They might be afraid of the political ramifications from being the first to speak up.
I know from first hand experience right now that this is making business planning impossible.
If it’s like anything else in politics, government won’t react until the problem has gotten really bad.
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@Copper said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
You didn't attend a lot of Trump rallies, did you?
If you want to contribute something to this thread then write something that gives the rest of us at least a slight impression that there is something other than shit between your ears.
You have nothing to say other than your usual trite snark so STFU.
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He sure is pushing a lot of America's chips to the center of the table in this ploy to, what, save a few 10s of billions in some trade agreements that he hopes Canada is motivated to amend? Create a bunch of manufacturing jobs where the workers will be paid so much more than their global counterparts that their products will have no value on the global market?
@Horace said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
He sure is pushing a lot of America's chips to the center of the table in this ploy to, what, save a few 10s of billions in some trade agreements that he hopes Canada is motivated to amend? Create a bunch of manufacturing jobs where the workers will be paid so much more than their global counterparts that their products will have no value on the global market?
Pretty good summary.
@xenon about businesses complaining, I think the big businesses are a bit hesitant to criticize yet, but it'll come once their financial statements start to kill their stock price. And small businesses are ABSOLUTELY getting hosed (to use a Canadian term) right now since many rely on imported goods to support their product offerings.
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That’s the most charitable interpretation.
He could be doing this just because he wants to see others cave (even if we end up at the same or worse spot relative to where we started).
Or he’s a true believer.
I think it’s 2 or 3… but don’t really know.
@xenon said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
He could be doing this just because he wants to see others cave (even if we end up at the same or worse spot relative to where we started).
My prediction (note I have a losing track record lately) is that he's doing this to distract from the other land expansion idea (Greenland) where he's making bold statements and massive distractions with secretly the end goal of allowing Greenland to vote for its own independence and/or eventually become an unincorporated territory of the United States, similar to Puerto Rico. That would give the USA certain rights over the land, including natural resources and defense, while not needing to modify how many stars are on the American flag.
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He sure is pushing a lot of America's chips to the center of the table in this ploy to, what, save a few 10s of billions in some trade agreements that he hopes Canada is motivated to amend? Create a bunch of manufacturing jobs where the workers will be paid so much more than their global counterparts that their products will have no value on the global market?
Create a bunch of manufacturing jobs where the workers will be paid so much more than their global counterparts that their products will have no value on the global market?
That is question I have been wrestling with the past week or so. Sooner or later Trump will have to take on the unions to drive down the cost of labour. And not by any small margin either. He seems oblivious to the fact that manufacturing moved elsewhere owing to the high cost of US labour. We struggle with the same issue here in Canada but to a much lesser extent in part because of higher personal income taxes. Also industry here is not burdened with having to administer costly employee benefit packages such as private health care insurance or even pension funds.
