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    xenon
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    #81

    I know it’s becoming a new political axiom that we have no morals anymore, only interests.

    But does anyone still hold on to quaint notions that character matters?

    Even if it’s not a sincere internal character, but at least trying to live up to what we as a nation think a laudable leader looks like?

    I think we’ll lose something every important in the long run if we let that go. But maybe I’m too much a goody two-shoes on this.

    I just find Trump’s amorality… disturbing.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

      Nobody’s talking about gas.. I just filled up at $2.80 per gallon.

      And that's worth how many Grade A "Large" eggs?

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      @Axtremus said in Trumpenomics:

      @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

      Nobody’s talking about gas.. I just filled up at $2.80 per gallon.

      And that's worth how many Grade A "Large" eggs?

      In my neck of the woods? About nine.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
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        Think of the money we’ll save.

        For the past five weeks, employees at National Institutes of Health technology transfer offices have been barred from filing new patent applications and been restricted from licensing existing ones, STAT reports. It’s a result of clampdowns on external communications and new contracts at the agency that are blocking it from sharing research materials with collaborators and taking crucial steps to ensure the discoveries its own scientists are making can later be used in the development of drugs and vaccines. “Being such a huge place of research, there was so much going on and a lot was already falling through the cracks,” one NIH patent specialist who was recently laid off said.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Think of the money we’ll save.

          For the past five weeks, employees at National Institutes of Health technology transfer offices have been barred from filing new patent applications and been restricted from licensing existing ones, STAT reports. It’s a result of clampdowns on external communications and new contracts at the agency that are blocking it from sharing research materials with collaborators and taking crucial steps to ensure the discoveries its own scientists are making can later be used in the development of drugs and vaccines. “Being such a huge place of research, there was so much going on and a lot was already falling through the cracks,” one NIH patent specialist who was recently laid off said.

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          @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

          Think of the money we’ll save.

          I'm meeting a couple of guys from the DoL next week. If I get the chance I'll ask how things are going.

          I was only joking

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            Only non-witches get due process.

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              @jon-nyc

              Nor should he be subsidizing Trader Joe’s by shopping there.

              😆

              Elbows up!

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                xenon
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                #87

                With all these loyalists around him, the idiocy is on full display now.

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                  Horace
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                  I think it's a pretty big deal to take the free market hostage, with a tariff gun to its head. If he doesn't realize what a big deal that is, because he thinks tariffs are actually good for America, then that would be a problem. But obviously, with all the delays and other exits from the threats of tariffs, he doesn't actually think they're a good thing for America. If they were, he'd just implement them regardless.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    xenon
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                    #89

                    I can’t profess to know what’s in his head. But it seems like he’s getting hit in the face with reality when the market tanks. He might be confused as to why that’s happening.

                    So far he’s blaming the globalists.

                    Either it’s 4D chess, or he’s an idiot. Not much middle ground.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

                      Good point from Alex Tabarrok, GMU colleague of Hanson, Caplan, and Cowen.

                      That's what I just wrote, but I fleshed it out a bit. Did you post that for the people who have me blocked?

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                      @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                      the people who have me blocked?

                      Noone would ever block you!! 😄

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                      • X xenon

                        I know it’s becoming a new political axiom that we have no morals anymore, only interests.

                        But does anyone still hold on to quaint notions that character matters?

                        Even if it’s not a sincere internal character, but at least trying to live up to what we as a nation think a laudable leader looks like?

                        I think we’ll lose something every important in the long run if we let that go. But maybe I’m too much a goody two-shoes on this.

                        I just find Trump’s amorality… disturbing.

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                        taiwan_girl
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                        #91

                        @xenon said in Trumpenomics:

                        But does anyone still hold on to quaint notions that character matters?

                        Even if it’s not a sincere internal character, but at least trying to live up to what we as a nation think a laudable leader looks like?

                        I think we’ll lose something every important in the long run if we let that go. But maybe I’m too much a goody two-shoes on this.

                        I just find Trump’s amorality… disturbing.

                        Agree 101%

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                          the people who have me blocked?

                          Noone would ever block you!! 😄

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                          Renauda
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                          #92

                          @taiwan_girl said in Trumpenomics:

                          @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                          the people who have me blocked?

                          Noone would ever block you!! 😄

                          I second that and if I found out someone did, it would be stark bolts for that person.

                          @xenon

                          So far he’s blaming the globalists

                          Indeed, from his Oval Office window Trumpigula even sees “The Barge” docked along the Potomac.

                          They’re coming to get him!

                          Elbows up!

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2025/03/04/economic-and-market-data-signal-a-recession-is-coming/

                              Perhaps the most significant data point signaling a possible recession is the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s widely tracked GDPNow model, which forecasts U.S. economic output will contract by an annualized rate of -2.4% in 2025’s first quarter based on a series of economic data points.
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                              That would be the worst economic growth since the second quarter of 2020, at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, and set the stage for the widely accepted technical definition of a recession, two consecutive quarters of negative gross domestic product growth.
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                              The National Bureau of Economic Research more broadly defines it as a “significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and lasts more than a few months.”
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                              Several other concerning signals have flashed regarding the health of the American economy, as consumer sentiment tumbled to a 15-month low, layoff announcements shot up to a 4.5-year high and the stock market tanked, with the benchmark S&P 500 index falling 6% from its all-time high set Feb. 19 as the implementation of tariffs rocked Wall Street.
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                              Models tracking the probability of a U.S. recession have simultaneously shifted to indicate a higher probability of an economic pullback.
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                              Goldman Sachs economists upped their odds of a recession over the next 12 months from 15% to 20% on Friday, naming Trump’s economic policies as the “key risk,” while Yardeni Research raised their recession odds Wednesday from 20% to 35%, citing “Trump 2.0’s head-spinning barrage of executives orders, firings, and tariffs.”

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                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2025/03/04/economic-and-market-data-signal-a-recession-is-coming/

                                Perhaps the most significant data point signaling a possible recession is the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s widely tracked GDPNow model, which forecasts U.S. economic output will contract by an annualized rate of -2.4% in 2025’s first quarter based on a series of economic data points.
​

                                That would be the worst economic growth since the second quarter of 2020, at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, and set the stage for the widely accepted technical definition of a recession, two consecutive quarters of negative gross domestic product growth.
​

                                The National Bureau of Economic Research more broadly defines it as a “significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and lasts more than a few months.”
​

                                Several other concerning signals have flashed regarding the health of the American economy, as consumer sentiment tumbled to a 15-month low, layoff announcements shot up to a 4.5-year high and the stock market tanked, with the benchmark S&P 500 index falling 6% from its all-time high set Feb. 19 as the implementation of tariffs rocked Wall Street.
​

                                Models tracking the probability of a U.S. recession have simultaneously shifted to indicate a higher probability of an economic pullback.
​

                                Goldman Sachs economists upped their odds of a recession over the next 12 months from 15% to 20% on Friday, naming Trump’s economic policies as the “key risk,” while Yardeni Research raised their recession odds Wednesday from 20% to 35%, citing “Trump 2.0’s head-spinning barrage of executives orders, firings, and tariffs.”

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                                @taiwan_girl said in Trumpenomics:

                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2025/03/04/economic-and-market-data-signal-a-recession-is-coming/

                                Perhaps the most significant data point signaling a possible recession is the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s widely tracked GDPNow model, which forecasts U.S. economic output will contract by an annualized rate of -2.4% in 2025’s first quarter based on a series of economic data points.
​

                                They’re talking about changing the GDP calculation to hide that.

                                Typical MAGAT projection. Accuse the other side of manipulating the numbers, then go manipulate the numbers.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Trumpenomics:

                                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2025/03/04/economic-and-market-data-signal-a-recession-is-coming/

                                  Perhaps the most significant data point signaling a possible recession is the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s widely tracked GDPNow model, which forecasts U.S. economic output will contract by an annualized rate of -2.4% in 2025’s first quarter based on a series of economic data points.
​

                                  They’re talking about changing the GDP calculation to hide that.

                                  Typical MAGAT projection. Accuse the other side of manipulating the numbers, then go manipulate the numbers.

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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

                                  They’re talking about changing the GDP calculation to hide that.

                                  Yeah, I saw that. To me, you need a baseline to compare different periods and times. Changing the numbers to make yourself look better is not a good idea.

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                                    At 9:30...

                                    Worried about a recession? "We're going to take in hundreds of billions of dollars from tariffs, we're going to become so rich you can't even spend all the money."

                                    What is he talking about? Does he understand how tariffs work? At 9:30...

                                    Link to video

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      He either doesn’t understand them or he’s constantly lying about it. Unclear to me which is the more charitable. I think the bulk of the evidence points to the former. As the Cato guys point out, it may be the only policy position he’s been consistent about since the 80s.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        At 9:30...

                                        Worried about a recession? "We're going to take in hundreds of billions of dollars from tariffs, we're going to become so rich you can't even spend all the money."

                                        What is he talking about? Does he understand how tariffs work? At 9:30...

                                        Link to video

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                                        @89th said in Trumpenomics:

                                        At 9:30...

                                        Worried about a recession? "We're going to take in hundreds of billions of dollars from tariffs, we're going to become so rich you can't even spend all the money."

                                        What is he talking about? Does he understand how tariffs work? At 9:30...

                                        Link to video

                                        I wonder how many trillions have already been lost from the total market cap of US stocks.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          I’m going to assume that he takes an off-ramp if things get really hairy.

                                          But what is the escape hatch if he starts digging his heels in?

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