Trumpenomics
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
Y'all may not believe it, but Donald J. Trump is a master at holding a grudge.
Word is, his State Department (and Trump) were pissed during Trump's first term, because of China's reluctance to come anywhere near reciprocity on tariffs.
Maybe...There are countries we are willing to run trade deficits with. Countries we know are not going to buy much from us.
Maybe Trump is willing to let countries run a trade surplus against us, if we have low, reciprocal tariffs. Maybe we try to cut China out in favor of Vietnam or India.
I dunno.
But I think it's fixin' to get interesting...
That makes 0 sense in regards to the actions being taken. You realize that S Korea and fucking Japan have just agreed to act in concert with China in response? He is strengthening China.
As Shapiro notes, other nations have to cooperate for any of this to play to America's advantage. China has a lot more staying power through pain, with its permanent government. They won't cooperate. They'll just wait.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 00:05 last edited by Renauda 4 May 2025, 01:20China has a lot more staying power through pain, with its permanent government. They won't cooperate. They'll just wait.
Very good point. If Americans are bewildered at the amount of pain Russians can endure, they will be amazed at what the Chinese can take. Even Stalin couldn’t top Mao (or, to a lesser extent, his successors) for inflicting pain and declaring war on his own country.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 00:51 last edited by
I was watching a video on China's reaction to restrictions by the US on importing technology. The Chinese built a factory the size of 40 football fields in less time than it would take to get a zoning permit to build a popcorn stand in the US.
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Y'all may not believe it, but Donald J. Trump is a master at holding a grudge.
Word is, his State Department (and Trump) were pissed during Trump's first term, because of China's reluctance to come anywhere near reciprocity on tariffs.
Maybe...There are countries we are willing to run trade deficits with. Countries we know are not going to buy much from us.
Maybe Trump is willing to let countries run a trade surplus against us, if we have low, reciprocal tariffs. Maybe we try to cut China out in favor of Vietnam or India.
I dunno.
But I think it's fixin' to get interesting...
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 00:53 last edited by@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
... but Donald J. Trump is a master at holding a grudge.
Not patriotic when you let personal grudge harm the country's greater good.
I dunno.
Oh ... I am not surprised.
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@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
Y'all may not believe it, but Donald J. Trump is a master at holding a grudge.
Word is, his State Department (and Trump) were pissed during Trump's first term, because of China's reluctance to come anywhere near reciprocity on tariffs.
Maybe...There are countries we are willing to run trade deficits with. Countries we know are not going to buy much from us.
Maybe Trump is willing to let countries run a trade surplus against us, if we have low, reciprocal tariffs. Maybe we try to cut China out in favor of Vietnam or India.
I dunno.
But I think it's fixin' to get interesting...
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:05 last edited by Renauda 4 May 2025, 01:33@Doctor-Phibes said in Trumpenomics:
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
Y'all may not believe it, but Donald J. Trump is a master at holding a grudge.
Word is, his State Department (and Trump) were pissed during Trump's first term, because of China's reluctance to come anywhere near reciprocity on tariffs.
Maybe...There are countries we are willing to run trade deficits with. Countries we know are not going to buy much from us.
Maybe Trump is willing to let countries run a trade surplus against us, if we have low, reciprocal tariffs. Maybe we try to cut China out in favor of Vietnam or India.
I dunno.
But I think it's fixin' to get interesting...
No, just making up shit of no consequence other than a desperate attempt to distract and appear
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Is it ok for the rest of the GOP to call Trump stupid yet? I hope we get there sooner than later.
Trump has the ability to remain retarded longer than we can remain solvent.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:13 last edited by@xenon said in Trumpenomics:
Is it ok for the rest of the GOP to call Trump stupid yet? I hope we get there sooner than later.
Trump has the ability to remain retarded longer than we can remain solvent.
I really think it's over for Maga even now. Like, done deal. They may not realize it yet. But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next. Trump was elected by 1% of the vote, one person in 100 deciding to vote Trump over Harris. 50% of the country has skin in the market, and circa 0% of them are hoping to work in a factory someday. I think it's safe for the GOP to call Trump out, but I know that'll have to gradually dawn on them. I expect the congresspeople's phones are hot since yesterday, hotter today and over the weekend, and as long as this insanity lasts.
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@xenon said in Trumpenomics:
Is it ok for the rest of the GOP to call Trump stupid yet? I hope we get there sooner than later.
Trump has the ability to remain retarded longer than we can remain solvent.
I really think it's over for Maga even now. Like, done deal. They may not realize it yet. But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next. Trump was elected by 1% of the vote, one person in 100 deciding to vote Trump over Harris. 50% of the country has skin in the market, and circa 0% of them are hoping to work in a factory someday. I think it's safe for the GOP to call Trump out, but I know that'll have to gradually dawn on them. I expect the congresspeople's phones are hot since yesterday, hotter today and over the weekend, and as long as this insanity lasts.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:37 last edited by@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
... But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next.
Well, similar things were said with regards to the January 6 Capitol tourist event.
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@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
... But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next.
Well, similar things were said with regards to the January 6 Capitol tourist event.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:42 last edited by@Axtremus said in Trumpenomics:
@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
... But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next.
Well, similar things were said with regards to the January 6 Capitol tourist event.
Not by me. I would always have said that the price of eggs would be considered more important than J6. But the price of eggs won't be more important than material impacts to the retirements of 10s of millions of Americans. (Not to mention that inflation will get worse with these tariffs.)
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:58 last edited by Jolly 4 May 2025, 01:59
In other news, private sector jobs grew at a more rapid pace than anticipated. They outpaced government jobs for the second month in a row.
Also, the Senate passed the continuation of the Trump tax cuts.
Just sayin'...
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In other news, private sector jobs grew at a more rapid pace than anticipated. They outpaced government jobs for the second month in a row.
Also, the Senate passed the continuation of the Trump tax cuts.
Just sayin'...
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:59 last edited by@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
In other news, private sector jobs grew at a more rapid pace than anticipated. They outdated government jobs for the second month in a row.
Also, the Senate passed the continuation of the Trump tax cuts.
Just sayin'...
Clearly, your glass is always half full since Trump got elected. My question is, 'full of what?'.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:00 last edited by
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:28 last edited by
The good news shines through!!
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:32 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show.
I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:47 last edited by
I'm actually finding this quite surprising. I never thought Trump would actually follow through with all of his bullshit.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:58 last edited by Horace 4 May 2025, 03:33
The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
If you start counting the market drop from the time it started becoming clear he was serious, after he took office, we're at a 20% drawdown on America's piggy bank. The 12% over the past two days has been a continuation of the slow realization of how serious he is about the tariffs. No telling where it stops, but permanent tariffs, at least until 2028, would surely cause more beatings, at least until morale improved. I'm worried about companies going out of business, and the job losses from that. You can't suffocate efficiency in highly tuned economic systems without suffocating a bunch of jobs out of existence. And the lead time to create new jobs will be significant, in that best case scenario where there's a point to this all.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 04:14 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show.
I’m sure you are since emptying Trump’s catheter bag every hour or so must get boring.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 06:05 last edited by AndyD 4 May 2025, 06:08
Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 08:34 last edited by
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Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 10:20 last edited by@AndyD said in Trumpenomics:
Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
You've always been a pissant, haven't you, dating back to the days when you'd drop by long enough to let Larry whup up on you. Nice to know there are constants in the world.
This may come as a shock to you, but I'm not wealthy. Don't even come close to a lot of the folks here. And I'm getting older, so it's harder to apply my possum living skills, should I need them.
No, I just think I understand what's happening and how Trump is rolling the economic dice. His vision is to create better paying middle-class jobs through tariffs and corporate taxes, to keep individual taxes as low as he can and to combat inflation with low energy prices. Biden focused on government job creation, Trump is trying to grow private job numbers..
Will it work? Again, I dunno.
Right now, I figure the market goes up and the market goes down. I don't plan on touching any of my investments for another seven years, so right now, it's all imaginary money. Plus, I've had the view the market is horrendously overpriced with abysmal P/E ratios, so corrections are inevitable.
I pulled carrots and we canned them yesterday. My corn is looking ok, but the grass is going to be a problem. I transplanted cucumbers yesterday, need to transplant tomatoes and the beans and squash are up. Still need to plant peas and okra.
One of the nice things about living on the rural route, gardening and puttering around the house, trying to stay connected with God and people through a local church, is that it lowers the stress levels of everyday life to manageable parameters. And grandkids...Those help with everyday life, too.
Anyway, it works for me. Try it, if you're a mind to and maybe you'll be happier.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:25 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
Good to see that you, Adam, and whoever made the meme still don’t get it.
As I mentioned several times already, still better than the alternative…
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The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
If you start counting the market drop from the time it started becoming clear he was serious, after he took office, we're at a 20% drawdown on America's piggy bank. The 12% over the past two days has been a continuation of the slow realization of how serious he is about the tariffs. No telling where it stops, but permanent tariffs, at least until 2028, would surely cause more beatings, at least until morale improved. I'm worried about companies going out of business, and the job losses from that. You can't suffocate efficiency in highly tuned economic systems without suffocating a bunch of jobs out of existence. And the lead time to create new jobs will be significant, in that best case scenario where there's a point to this all.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:36 last edited by@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
In a way, I think that’s what made this necessary. IF this is about leverage, then it wouldn’t be a very good tool if nobody thought he would really go through with it. To his way of thinking he had no choice. I still think it’s entirely possible that within 2 weeks there are a number of reworked trade deals and things are looking far rosier. You’ll see a handful of promises to restore manufacturing and the markets will be euphoric for a few weeks.