Trumpenomics
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Is it ok for the rest of the GOP to call Trump stupid yet? I hope we get there sooner than later.
Trump has the ability to remain retarded longer than we can remain solvent.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:13 last edited by@xenon said in Trumpenomics:
Is it ok for the rest of the GOP to call Trump stupid yet? I hope we get there sooner than later.
Trump has the ability to remain retarded longer than we can remain solvent.
I really think it's over for Maga even now. Like, done deal. They may not realize it yet. But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next. Trump was elected by 1% of the vote, one person in 100 deciding to vote Trump over Harris. 50% of the country has skin in the market, and circa 0% of them are hoping to work in a factory someday. I think it's safe for the GOP to call Trump out, but I know that'll have to gradually dawn on them. I expect the congresspeople's phones are hot since yesterday, hotter today and over the weekend, and as long as this insanity lasts.
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@xenon said in Trumpenomics:
Is it ok for the rest of the GOP to call Trump stupid yet? I hope we get there sooner than later.
Trump has the ability to remain retarded longer than we can remain solvent.
I really think it's over for Maga even now. Like, done deal. They may not realize it yet. But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next. Trump was elected by 1% of the vote, one person in 100 deciding to vote Trump over Harris. 50% of the country has skin in the market, and circa 0% of them are hoping to work in a factory someday. I think it's safe for the GOP to call Trump out, but I know that'll have to gradually dawn on them. I expect the congresspeople's phones are hot since yesterday, hotter today and over the weekend, and as long as this insanity lasts.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:37 last edited by@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
... But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next.
Well, similar things were said with regards to the January 6 Capitol tourist event.
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@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
... But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next.
Well, similar things were said with regards to the January 6 Capitol tourist event.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:42 last edited by@Axtremus said in Trumpenomics:
@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
... But this economic destruction won't be forgiven or go unnoticed by enough people, no matter what happens next.
Well, similar things were said with regards to the January 6 Capitol tourist event.
Not by me. I would always have said that the price of eggs would be considered more important than J6. But the price of eggs won't be more important than material impacts to the retirements of 10s of millions of Americans. (Not to mention that inflation will get worse with these tariffs.)
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:58 last edited by Jolly 4 May 2025, 01:59
In other news, private sector jobs grew at a more rapid pace than anticipated. They outpaced government jobs for the second month in a row.
Also, the Senate passed the continuation of the Trump tax cuts.
Just sayin'...
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In other news, private sector jobs grew at a more rapid pace than anticipated. They outpaced government jobs for the second month in a row.
Also, the Senate passed the continuation of the Trump tax cuts.
Just sayin'...
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 01:59 last edited by@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
In other news, private sector jobs grew at a more rapid pace than anticipated. They outdated government jobs for the second month in a row.
Also, the Senate passed the continuation of the Trump tax cuts.
Just sayin'...
Clearly, your glass is always half full since Trump got elected. My question is, 'full of what?'.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:00 last edited by
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:28 last edited by
The good news shines through!!
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:32 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show.
I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:47 last edited by
I'm actually finding this quite surprising. I never thought Trump would actually follow through with all of his bullshit.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 02:58 last edited by Horace 4 May 2025, 03:33
The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
If you start counting the market drop from the time it started becoming clear he was serious, after he took office, we're at a 20% drawdown on America's piggy bank. The 12% over the past two days has been a continuation of the slow realization of how serious he is about the tariffs. No telling where it stops, but permanent tariffs, at least until 2028, would surely cause more beatings, at least until morale improved. I'm worried about companies going out of business, and the job losses from that. You can't suffocate efficiency in highly tuned economic systems without suffocating a bunch of jobs out of existence. And the lead time to create new jobs will be significant, in that best case scenario where there's a point to this all.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 04:14 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show.
I’m sure you are since emptying Trump’s catheter bag every hour or so must get boring.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 06:05 last edited by AndyD 4 May 2025, 06:08
Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 08:34 last edited by
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Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 10:20 last edited by@AndyD said in Trumpenomics:
Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
You've always been a pissant, haven't you, dating back to the days when you'd drop by long enough to let Larry whup up on you. Nice to know there are constants in the world.
This may come as a shock to you, but I'm not wealthy. Don't even come close to a lot of the folks here. And I'm getting older, so it's harder to apply my possum living skills, should I need them.
No, I just think I understand what's happening and how Trump is rolling the economic dice. His vision is to create better paying middle-class jobs through tariffs and corporate taxes, to keep individual taxes as low as he can and to combat inflation with low energy prices. Biden focused on government job creation, Trump is trying to grow private job numbers..
Will it work? Again, I dunno.
Right now, I figure the market goes up and the market goes down. I don't plan on touching any of my investments for another seven years, so right now, it's all imaginary money. Plus, I've had the view the market is horrendously overpriced with abysmal P/E ratios, so corrections are inevitable.
I pulled carrots and we canned them yesterday. My corn is looking ok, but the grass is going to be a problem. I transplanted cucumbers yesterday, need to transplant tomatoes and the beans and squash are up. Still need to plant peas and okra.
One of the nice things about living on the rural route, gardening and puttering around the house, trying to stay connected with God and people through a local church, is that it lowers the stress levels of everyday life to manageable parameters. And grandkids...Those help with everyday life, too.
Anyway, it works for me. Try it, if you're a mind to and maybe you'll be happier.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:25 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
Good to see that you, Adam, and whoever made the meme still don’t get it.
As I mentioned several times already, still better than the alternative…
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The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
If you start counting the market drop from the time it started becoming clear he was serious, after he took office, we're at a 20% drawdown on America's piggy bank. The 12% over the past two days has been a continuation of the slow realization of how serious he is about the tariffs. No telling where it stops, but permanent tariffs, at least until 2028, would surely cause more beatings, at least until morale improved. I'm worried about companies going out of business, and the job losses from that. You can't suffocate efficiency in highly tuned economic systems without suffocating a bunch of jobs out of existence. And the lead time to create new jobs will be significant, in that best case scenario where there's a point to this all.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:36 last edited by@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
In a way, I think that’s what made this necessary. IF this is about leverage, then it wouldn’t be a very good tool if nobody thought he would really go through with it. To his way of thinking he had no choice. I still think it’s entirely possible that within 2 weeks there are a number of reworked trade deals and things are looking far rosier. You’ll see a handful of promises to restore manufacturing and the markets will be euphoric for a few weeks.
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@AndyD said in Trumpenomics:
Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
I'm just sitting back, enjoying the show....I guess you have that in common with a good chunk of the left...
And other wealthy folk who won't be affected financially by these taxes. Including your bumchum Trump (CF)
You've always been a pissant, haven't you, dating back to the days when you'd drop by long enough to let Larry whup up on you. Nice to know there are constants in the world.
This may come as a shock to you, but I'm not wealthy. Don't even come close to a lot of the folks here. And I'm getting older, so it's harder to apply my possum living skills, should I need them.
No, I just think I understand what's happening and how Trump is rolling the economic dice. His vision is to create better paying middle-class jobs through tariffs and corporate taxes, to keep individual taxes as low as he can and to combat inflation with low energy prices. Biden focused on government job creation, Trump is trying to grow private job numbers..
Will it work? Again, I dunno.
Right now, I figure the market goes up and the market goes down. I don't plan on touching any of my investments for another seven years, so right now, it's all imaginary money. Plus, I've had the view the market is horrendously overpriced with abysmal P/E ratios, so corrections are inevitable.
I pulled carrots and we canned them yesterday. My corn is looking ok, but the grass is going to be a problem. I transplanted cucumbers yesterday, need to transplant tomatoes and the beans and squash are up. Still need to plant peas and okra.
One of the nice things about living on the rural route, gardening and puttering around the house, trying to stay connected with God and people through a local church, is that it lowers the stress levels of everyday life to manageable parameters. And grandkids...Those help with everyday life, too.
Anyway, it works for me. Try it, if you're a mind to and maybe you'll be happier.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:46 last edited by@Jolly said in Trumpenomics:
No, I just think I understand what's happening and how Trump is rolling the economic dice.
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Will it work? Again, I dunno.
There's plenty of information available to help you tune your intuitions about this.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:50 last edited by
For some people, their support for Trump is faith based.
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@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
In a way, I think that’s what made this necessary. IF this is about leverage, then it wouldn’t be a very good tool if nobody thought he would really go through with it. To his way of thinking he had no choice. I still think it’s entirely possible that within 2 weeks there are a number of reworked trade deals and things are looking far rosier. You’ll see a handful of promises to restore manufacturing and the markets will be euphoric for a few weeks.
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:53 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
The fact that the market plunged after he announced the tariffs, is proof that very few people thought he'd do this. If they thought he'd do this, it would have been priced in after he was elected. The idea that Trump cared about the stock market, was generally agreed upon.
In a way, I think that’s what made this necessary. IF this is about leverage, then it wouldn’t be a very good tool if nobody thought he would really go through with it. To his way of thinking he had no choice. I still think it’s entirely possible that within 2 weeks there are a number of reworked trade deals and things are looking far rosier. You’ll see a handful of promises to restore manufacturing and the markets will be euphoric for a few weeks.
That would be nice, but I am not optimistic. I do think some very high tariffs will be reduced through negotiations, but I don't know if the flat 10% across the board will be negotiable. I will watch the Vietnam thing, to get an indicator if Trump is willing to reduce tariffs below 10% on any country.
Since these are not real reciprocal tariffs, a country can't simply reduce tariffs on America to zero, and expect America to reciprocate that.
I think Trump is really excited about this revenue. It's like he's living out the fantasy of someone who bought a bridge, and will now charge the tolls.
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@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
Good to see that you, Adam, and whoever made the meme still don’t get it.
As I mentioned several times already, still better than the alternative…
wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 11:56 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:
@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
Good to see that you, Adam, and whoever made the meme still don’t get it.
As I mentioned several times already, still better than the alternative…
Cold comfort for the Trump haters.
But I can't see a clip from that movie, and not mention that it is one of the greatest comedies of all time.