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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #101

    Interesting from Cato.

    On shoring all Canadian aluminum would require "over 40 million megawatt-hours of electricity. This is nearly four and a half times the annual electricity production of the Hoover Dam, enough to power 460 data centers or the entire state of Nevada for a year"

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      #102

      Premier of Ontario just announced 10 minutes ago that effective immediately Ontario will impose a 25% surcharge on its electricity exports into US until such time all threats of US tariffs against Canada are off the table. He also stated that if the US retaliates, he will increase the export surcharge or shut off all electrical power exports from Ontario into the US.

      Elbows up!

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        xenon
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        #103

        The premier of BC put in place legislation to start charging levies on commercial trucks going up to Alaska.

        Not saying that’s the right thing to do - but these guys are going on their war footing.

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #104

          I wonder what fraction of a percentage of the American economy these better trade agreements might even be worth. In the best case scenario that better trade agreements are the actual motivation here, rather than an attempt to remake an isolationist America, for which Maga does not have nearly enough runway, and so it would end up being a destructive and aborted project after the next election.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
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            #105

            I don’t know how we could have known that mercantilist trade policy would be captured by special interests.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              xenon
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              #106

              Betting markets have recession chance at 40% right now.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #107

                Today seems to be verging on an historic daily loss. The market doesn't trust that Trump won't actually go through with the ruinous tariffs.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #108

                  Recession?

                  Don't think so. I do think we're in for a slow down.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    #109

                    I don’t know that we’ve ever had a recession with a single author before. This is very preventable and who knows he may still back off.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      #110

                      Slow down or full blown recession both trace back to one stupid narcissist who thought he could fool the market.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #111

                        Ok, I’m tired of winning.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          Ok, I’m tired of winning.

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                          Renauda
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                          #112

                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          Ok, I’m tired of winning.

                          No need to dog whistle the resident MAGAt troll. It will show up anyway barking the usual trite tidbit of vacuous snark.

                          Elbows up!

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              By my quick calculations, the S&P 500 companies alone lost about 15% of the national debt in market cap over the past month or so of tariff chaos.

                              Of course, market cap losses are not the same thing as getting that much liquid value out of the stocks. Any such attempt would drive the price way lower, I guess.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                xenon
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                                #115

                                My worry is supply chain de-coupling. After Trump 45, the most successful part of his China policy was getting companies to factor in risks from investing in China.

                                It caused many new plant investments to shift away from China.

                                European and Canadian companies (really anyone), will now think twice before they invest in the US as a part of their supply chain or end market.

                                That’s not a win for the US. It seems like he’s burning the boats for some inexplicable reason.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
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                                    I might buy some calls if this keeps up.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      I never try and time the market... but if the S&P dips down to like 5,000... I'll probably change some investments into "super aggressive growth" mode to ride the eventual rise.

                                      Keep in mind Biden saw a 60% increase in the S&P, and Trump 1st term also so a 60% increase. It hasn't been too bad over the last 5 years (see below) and has been great since 2010.

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        Nobody’s talking about gas.. I just filled up at $2.80 per gallon.

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                                        NobodySock
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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                        Nobody’s talking about gas.. I just filled up at $2.80 per gallon.

                                        5 bucks a gallon for Premium with cash. 5.25 with credit. But our gas is really a gas. So clean since we tax the ugly bits out of it.

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                          Nobody’s talking about gas.. I just filled up at $2.80 per gallon.

                                          5 bucks a gallon for Premium with cash. 5.25 with credit. But our gas is really a gas. So clean since we tax the ugly bits out of it.

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