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@Jolly said in Above the fold...:
@89th said in Above the fold...:
@Jolly said in Above the fold...:
89th's favorite newspaper...
LOL my family got the Washington Times as a kid. I don't read WaPo or RedState or anything else that's interested in stirring up their viewers so they can get clicks and sell ads.
Yet, you keep serving up WaPo stats like the Sermon On The Mount.
Not sure why this is so hard to grasp. You asked where did the 30,573 lies stat come from? I provided you with a CSV file with each single one, fully analyzed and auditable. You discounted the whole list because the person who put it together works for WaPo, as if that discredits the facts in the spreadsheet. If RedState authors did the exact same work and provided the exact same spreadsheet, would you believe it then?
@89th said in Above the fold...:
@Jolly said in Above the fold...:
@89th said in Above the fold...:
@Jolly said in Above the fold...:
89th's favorite newspaper...
LOL my family got the Washington Times as a kid. I don't read WaPo or RedState or anything else that's interested in stirring up their viewers so they can get clicks and sell ads.
Yet, you keep serving up WaPo stats like the Sermon On The Mount.
Not sure why this is so hard to grasp. You asked where did the 30,573 lies stat come from? I provided you with a CSV file with each single one, fully analyzed and auditable. You discounted the whole list because the person who put it together works for WaPo, as if that discredits the facts in the spreadsheet. If RedState authors did the exact same work and provided the exact same spreadsheet, would you believe it then?
The facts are sailing five feet over your head.
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I would have to go back and confirm, and frankly I don’t have the time or inclination to do so, but I seem to remember that the WaPo lie list went something like this: Trump - “There were 100,000 people at my inauguration”
WaPo - “We estimate 85,000, that’s a lie”
Trump - “No, it was!”
WaPo - “That’s 2 lies”
Trump proceeds to make the claim at 5 rallies and 4 interviews…
WaPo - “That’s 11 lies!”
The Brad
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Meanwhile, a major ingredient in Trump's political secret sauce, is the fact that he comes off as genuine, if often obviously hyperbolic.
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I would have to go back and confirm, and frankly I don’t have the time or inclination to do so, but I seem to remember that the WaPo lie list went something like this: Trump - “There were 100,000 people at my inauguration”
WaPo - “We estimate 85,000, that’s a lie”
Trump - “No, it was!”
WaPo - “That’s 2 lies”
Trump proceeds to make the claim at 5 rallies and 4 interviews…
WaPo - “That’s 11 lies!”
@LuFins-Dad said in Above the fold...:
I would have to go back and confirm, and frankly I don’t have the time or inclination to do so, but I seem to remember that the WaPo lie list went something like this: Trump - “There were 100,000 people at my inauguration”
WaPo - “We estimate 85,000, that’s a lie”
Trump - “No, it was!”
WaPo - “That’s 2 lies”
Trump proceeds to make the claim at 5 rallies and 4 interviews…
WaPo - “That’s 11 lies!”
Actually from what I can tell they only counted one general lie per event once. They went out of their way NOT to double count, such as in the same speech. It’s all in the CSV file. It’s as clear and auditable as you can ask for. I’ve done a spot check and it all is accurate in terms of single-counting false statements from Trump.
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I’m responding to doubts about the data with facts. I know, facts.
That was a good emoticon though!
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Link it again, please.
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It’s a complete open list. And we all know Trump lies, that’s not even the debate. It’s how much he does… You are welcome to find faults with any of the 30,573 rows. Its actually as clear as it can get, but I can see even that doesn’t help!
@89th said in Above the fold...:
It’s a complete open list. And we all know Trump lies, that’s not even the debate. It’s how much he does… You are welcome to find faults with any of the 30,573 rows. Its actually as clear as it can get, but I can see even that doesn’t help!
Even a cursory glance shows 227 lies by the fact-checkers at WaPo (none of whom work there anymore). So you expect somebody to wade through >30,000 cites, some of which are blatantly dishonest, and many of which are redundant? A list that contains approximately 18 purported lies per day?
Son, I realize you have strong faith, faith being belief in that which cannot be seen, but I ain't buying your line of BS.
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@taiwan_girl said in Above the fold...:
@Jolly please give your opinion on weather those are accurate or not, and why.
There is a storm brewing there.
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@taiwan_girl said in Above the fold...:
@Jolly please give your opinion on weather those are accurate or not, and why.
There is a storm brewing there.
@Copper said in Above the fold...:
@taiwan_girl said in Above the fold...:
@Jolly please give your opinion on weather those are accurate or not, and why.
There is a storm brewing there.
You’re always a ray of sunshine…
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LOL
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Haha ok. I have to retype since the formatting is wonky, but the summary is:
Claim: Created 500,000 jobs.
Analysis: Created 317,000 jobs.Claim: Never heard of wikileaks.
Analysis: Trump denounced wikileaks in 2011.Claim: Back when they started NATO, terrorism didn't exist.
Analysis: Terrorism existed in 1949.Claim: Electoral college is so skewed in favor of a Democrat, it's hard to win.
Analysis: Republicans won in 2000 and 2016 via electoral college, even though they lost popular vote.Claim: The first 100 days standard is ridiculous.
Analysis: Trump promised on the campaign trail a 100-day "contract with the american voter". Of note, most of the promises in that contract were not kept.
Of course that was in 2017, if you do the inverse, rows 415-420 starting from the latest date (Jan 2021), it's mostly lies about the election:
Claim: GA had 86,880 ballots case by people who had illegal registrations.
Analysis: Election officials said this is wrong.Claim: GA had 18,325 illegal ballots due to vacant postal address.
Analysis: Election officials said this is wrong.Claim: GA had 4,502 illegal ballots by people who don't appear on state voter roles.
Analysis: Election officials said this is wrong.Claim: 205,006 ballots cast by people whose name match an incarcerated felon.
Analysis: Election officials said there are only 74 possible matches, but maybe lower if some had their voter rights reinstated.Claim: 10,315 ballots cast by people who died prior to 2020 election.
Analysis: Election officials said this is "bogus".
So there you go, randomly picked 10 rows...that's 0.03% of all of the lies. I think you get the point.
