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@89th said in Bell to bell:
@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
Governor Hochel to implement a statewide ‘bell-to-bell’ cellphone ban in NYS schools starting next year.
I've mentioned before how I'm stubborn about the idea that... people survived before cell phones. They are helpful but not needed. Plan ahead, slow down a bit, wait to be picked up. I'm youngish but I survived high school (and the first 3 years of college) without a cell phone. It's not critical in the least bit. Yes phones are helpful, but required.
Bit of a false comparison. When we grew up, we weren't missing out by not having a cell phone. You can't expect kids today not to have one when all their friends do and their social lives depend on having one.
That said, there's definitely a time and a place. We have pretty rigid routines at home when it comes to what we do when we hang out together, when we eat together, etc.
Kind of a digression here, but it cannot be argued that my daughter does not have ADHD. It's beyond obvious to anyone who pays attention. But the school has a massive incentive not to label her as such, so they must continue to pretend that she doesn't. So, she's in a regular class with the other kids and she uses iPads on the regular, which just destroy her ability to concentrate when she's at home.
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bell to bell:
@89th said in Bell to bell:
Yes phones are helpful, but required.
I think you meant, "not required". If that is what you meant, then I agree with you.
Oops yes, LOL. Thanks! I edited it.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
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@89th said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
Well, it's the thing she naturally gravitates toward anyway. Might as well lean into it.
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I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@89th said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
Well, it's the thing she naturally gravitates toward anyway. Might as well lean into it.
Fin hates drawing or coloring, he likes painting, so long as he gets to pretend he’s Jackson Pollock.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too. Hell when we're putting models together now, my daughter loses interest long before I'm willing to give it up.
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Listen, I can occasionally keep him interested in something for 30 minutes… Music, a book, a game, a story being read… But Legos? The kid would sit there for 6 hours straight putting together the larger kits if we didn’t make him switch activities…
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too.
That’s supposed to be comforting?
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@Horace said in Bell to bell:
I got Legos every birthday and christmas until I was 12 years old. Yes, be worried.
Was that the age of pre-designed kits to build a specific object? Or just the bucket of random bricks. I had the latter, and since there was a limit to my creativity I lost interest by 7 or so.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too.
That’s supposed to be comforting?
(shrugs) Dunno. Figure it out.
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@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
@Horace said in Bell to bell:
I got Legos every birthday and christmas until I was 12 years old. Yes, be worried.
Was that the age of pre-designed kits to build a specific object? Or just the bucket of random bricks. I had the latter, and since there was a limit to my creativity I lost interest by 7 or so.
I would just follow the directions and love the creations they led to. I had some friends who were really good at creating stuff without directions, but I never had that ability.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Bell to bell:
@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
@Horace said in Bell to bell:
I got Legos every birthday and christmas until I was 12 years old. Yes, be worried.
Was that the age of pre-designed kits to build a specific object? Or just the bucket of random bricks. I had the latter, and since there was a limit to my creativity I lost interest by 7 or so.
I would just follow the directions and love the creations they led to. I had some friends who were really good at creating stuff without directions, but I never had that ability.
That was my jam as a kid. I'd make the thing according to spec just the once but would soon get bored with it. Far more fun to make my own stuff.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
Listen, I can occasionally keep him interested in something for 30 minutes… Music, a book, a game, a story being read… But Legos? The kid would sit there for 6 hours straight putting together the larger kits if we didn’t make him switch activities…
Budding engineer.
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@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too.
That’s supposed to be comforting?
LOL
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@89th said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
Well, it's the thing she naturally gravitates toward anyway. Might as well lean into it.
Fin hates drawing or coloring, he likes painting, so long as he gets to pretend he’s Jackson Pollock.
Might be a boy/girl thing. My daughter loves drawing and assembling legos. She is focused and deliberate. My son is another Jackson Pollock. Very different styles. I'm glad he's not a wimp though... every time I get home from work he (just turned 4) immediately attacks me and wants a ninja/sword/wrestling fight.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
Listen, I can occasionally keep him interested in something for 30 minutes… Music, a book, a game, a story being read… But Legos? The kid would sit there for 6 hours straight putting together the larger kits if we didn’t make him switch activities…
It's good he can focus, at least on some stuff. I have noticed lots of kids around us (including my son, even this morning) after watching something for a few minutes says "I'm bored let's watch XYZ" and I tell him we need to finish what we started, even if it's a short show. I have a good movie-buff friend who has a 9 year old son who absolutely cannot watch a movie. It's "too long, too boring" even if it's a kids movie... the attention span is being absolutely murdered by YouTube hyper editing and infinite-scrolling to change videos every 2 seconds.
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When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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First they came for my cellphone, and I said nothing because...well, to be honest I couldn't call anybody to complain.
