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Works for me.
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In my sons school, each teacher has a bucket students are supposed to put their phones in at the begining of class.
He tells us, "If you're not a moron, you just silence any notifications and don't use it, and nobody cares."
I wonder what an outright ban would involve? Kids put their phones in a designated area? Don't bring them in the school? Not a bad policy overall, but would prefer it to be left up to towns and schools that feel the need.
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@Horace said in Bell to bell:
It'll help learning, and that's good enough, but it's probably also the only time the kids will be parted from their phones in their lives, which is also a good thing. Remind them what it's like.
Yes, excellent points. The need to learn to be apart from your device. Parents are no better, most of them. At playgrounds or even out to dinner, I see more parents on their phones than those interacting with their kids, and it hurts to see. A mild form of child abuse.
For example, my wife needed to take down some Christmas stuff, so I took my 3 kids (6, 4, and now 2) to a local cafe for breakfast. While we waited for food, we stayed entertained by talking about the pictures on the wall, then later stacking those little packets of jelly into pyramids. No phones, no iPads. Meanwhile, the table next to me is another dad with two young sons, and the entire time (anytime I looked) he was glued to his phone as his boys ate in silence. As we left, a large family came in with like 4 kids and what looked like two parents and a grandparent...who was holding a STACK of iPads to keep the kids entertained. WTF
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@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
Governor Hochel to implement a statewide ‘bell-to-bell’ cellphone ban in NYS schools starting next year.
I've mentioned before how I'm stubborn about the idea that... people survived before cell phones. They are helpful but not needed. Plan ahead, slow down a bit, wait to be picked up. I'm youngish but I survived high school (and the first 3 years of college) without a cell phone. It's not critical in the least bit. Yes phones are helpful, but (edit: NOT) required.
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@89th said in Bell to bell:
Yes phones are helpful, but required.
I think you meant, "not required". If that is what you meant, then I agree with you.
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@89th said in Bell to bell:
@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
Governor Hochel to implement a statewide ‘bell-to-bell’ cellphone ban in NYS schools starting next year.
I've mentioned before how I'm stubborn about the idea that... people survived before cell phones. They are helpful but not needed. Plan ahead, slow down a bit, wait to be picked up. I'm youngish but I survived high school (and the first 3 years of college) without a cell phone. It's not critical in the least bit. Yes phones are helpful, but required.
Bit of a false comparison. When we grew up, we weren't missing out by not having a cell phone. You can't expect kids today not to have one when all their friends do and their social lives depend on having one.
That said, there's definitely a time and a place. We have pretty rigid routines at home when it comes to what we do when we hang out together, when we eat together, etc.
Kind of a digression here, but it cannot be argued that my daughter does not have ADHD. It's beyond obvious to anyone who pays attention. But the school has a massive incentive not to label her as such, so they must continue to pretend that she doesn't. So, she's in a regular class with the other kids and she uses iPads on the regular, which just destroy her ability to concentrate when she's at home.
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bell to bell:
@89th said in Bell to bell:
Yes phones are helpful, but required.
I think you meant, "not required". If that is what you meant, then I agree with you.
Oops yes, LOL. Thanks! I edited it.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
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@89th said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
Well, it's the thing she naturally gravitates toward anyway. Might as well lean into it.
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I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@89th said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
But she loves drawing, so we throw a ton of art stuff her way. Easels, watercolors, dry erase boards, slates, sidewalk chalk, etc., etc. She has literally buckets. This has been an entirely deliberate move on our part to (1) keep her off of those mother fucking screens while (2) not relying only on restriction, which we see as a failed strategy. Art in this case also provides practice in concentration, which she sure as hell isn't getting in class.
Good for you, dad. Art is a great win, on so many levels, especially at that age.
Well, it's the thing she naturally gravitates toward anyway. Might as well lean into it.
Fin hates drawing or coloring, he likes painting, so long as he gets to pretend he’s Jackson Pollock.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too. Hell when we're putting models together now, my daughter loses interest long before I'm willing to give it up.
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Listen, I can occasionally keep him interested in something for 30 minutes… Music, a book, a game, a story being read… But Legos? The kid would sit there for 6 hours straight putting together the larger kits if we didn’t make him switch activities…
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too.
That’s supposed to be comforting?
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@Horace said in Bell to bell:
I got Legos every birthday and christmas until I was 12 years old. Yes, be worried.
Was that the age of pre-designed kits to build a specific object? Or just the bucket of random bricks. I had the latter, and since there was a limit to my creativity I lost interest by 7 or so.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Bell to bell:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bell to bell:
I’m really worried about Finley’s Lego autism. It’s like he’s in a different world. Nothing keeps his attention like assembling these things.
Eh, he'll be fine. I was just like that at his age and way older, too.
That’s supposed to be comforting?
(shrugs) Dunno. Figure it out.
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@jon-nyc said in Bell to bell:
@Horace said in Bell to bell:
I got Legos every birthday and christmas until I was 12 years old. Yes, be worried.
Was that the age of pre-designed kits to build a specific object? Or just the bucket of random bricks. I had the latter, and since there was a limit to my creativity I lost interest by 7 or so.
I would just follow the directions and love the creations they led to. I had some friends who were really good at creating stuff without directions, but I never had that ability.
Education is extremely important.
