Return to Office EO
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wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 17:44 last edited by
I think that people who work in offices utilize businesses in the area more, which in turn pay taxes, which in turn pay their salaries.
Now, I understand that this is probably more localized. Government workers help businesses in Wash. DC
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It is absolutely not optics. No government work should be done on personal tech devices. Auditors and oversight agencies should be able to have immediate access to those secured tech devices and all paper files, etc… No government employee should be working in a private home with who the fuck knows sitting behind them looking over their shoulders. Security and accountability Trump efficiency.
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 17:44 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Security and accountability Trump efficiency.
Tell me you capitalized that by accident.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Security and accountability Trump efficiency.
Tell me you capitalized that by accident.
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 18:14 last edited by@George-K said in Return to Office EO:
@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Security and accountability Trump efficiency.
Tell me you capitalized that by accident.
I actually did, lol.
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I believe most folks use government-issued equipment like laptops that are fully monitored and audited which can be shut down remotely if needed. If efficiency is the goal, forcing everyone back into an office is the opposite of that. I agree if someone is working on something that requires security they shouldn't be doing it from home. Admittedly I am biased as I work 1,000 miles away from my company. My team of 20 folks are so... two are fully remote (including me) and the rest are in the office 3 days, and home 2 days. There isn't any degradation in our production velocity, if anything we have gotten faster.
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 18:24 last edited by@89th said in Return to Office EO:
I believe most folks use government-issued equipment like laptops that are fully monitored and audited which can be shut down remotely if needed. If efficiency is the goal, forcing everyone back into an office is the opposite of that. I agree if someone is working on something that requires security they shouldn't be doing it from home. Admittedly I am biased as I work 1,000 miles away from my company. My team of 20 folks are so... two are fully remote (including me) and the rest are in the office 3 days, and home 2 days. There isn't any degradation in our production velocity, if anything we have gotten faster.
As I stated, it’s not about efficiency. It is about oversight, security, and accountability.
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wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 18:30 last edited by
Sorry I misread that pun.
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wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 18:31 last edited by
Yeah. The efficiency train left the station long ago. Accountability is waiting for the next train. Security isn't even at the station yet.
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It is absolutely not optics. No government work should be done on personal tech devices. Auditors and oversight agencies should be able to have immediate access to those secured tech devices and all paper files, etc… No government employee should be working in a private home with who the fuck knows sitting behind them looking over their shoulders. Security and accountability Trump efficiency.
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 18:48 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
No government employee should be working in a private home with who the fuck knows sitting behind them looking over their shoulders.
Does that include the President?
Because I've got news for you....
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wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 22:14 last edited by
Oh believe me, I have issues. But it’s the same issues with the last guy as well as the guy from 08-16
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@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much.
Remember the Marc Andreessen interview? He said that if you're required to be "in office" one day a month, you'd schedule that day for the last day of the month, and on the next month, it would be first day.
Fly in, work a day, stay at a hotel, work a day, fly out.
58 or so consecutive days out of the office.
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 22:55 last edited by@George-K said in Return to Office EO:
@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much.
Remember the Marc Andreessen interview? He said that if you're required to be "in office" one day a month, you'd schedule that day for the last day of the month, and on the next month, it would be first day.
Fly in, work a day, stay at a hotel, work a day, fly out.
58 or so consecutive days out of the office.
As long as the work got done right, no one should care whether it's "58 or so consecutive days out of the office."
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@jon-nyc said in Return to Office EO:
This will probably deserve its own thread as it will spawn its own dramas in the coming weeks.
My sister said the Board will comply but take advantage of some wiggle room. What about, she asked, people who were hired remotely with no expectation they’d move to DC? They probably won’t make them move.
What’s interesting is this will increase the concentration of federal workers in the DC area and I’ve been told by republicans on many occasions that that’s a bad thing.
Sorry, not sorry, @89th .
I don’t even understand how/why this is controversial at all.
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much. As for the concentration of federal employees, that will change as the various departments are moved.
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 23:08 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
I don’t even understand how/why this is controversial at all.
Let's see ... no "work from home" means more people driving more which means Elon sells more cars. Get it?
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@George-K said in Return to Office EO:
@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much.
Remember the Marc Andreessen interview? He said that if you're required to be "in office" one day a month, you'd schedule that day for the last day of the month, and on the next month, it would be first day.
Fly in, work a day, stay at a hotel, work a day, fly out.
58 or so consecutive days out of the office.
As long as the work got done right, no one should care whether it's "58 or so consecutive days out of the office."
wrote on 21 Jan 2025, 23:47 last edited by@Axtremus said in Return to Office EO:
@George-K said in Return to Office EO:
@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much.
Remember the Marc Andreessen interview? He said that if you're required to be "in office" one day a month, you'd schedule that day for the last day of the month, and on the next month, it would be first day.
Fly in, work a day, stay at a hotel, work a day, fly out.
58 or so consecutive days out of the office.
As long as the work got done right, no one should care whether it's "58 or so consecutive days out of the office."
For me I have to go into the office every 90 days. I usually go every 85 days or so as to not cut it too close.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 01:59 last edited by
Yeah, but….
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 02:05 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Return to Office EO:
Yeah, but….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
In 1665, he discovered the generalised binomial theorem and began to develop a mathematical theory that later became calculus. Soon after Newton obtained his BA degree at Cambridge in August 1665, the university temporarily closed as a precaution against the Great Plague.
In 1679, Newton returned to his work on celestial mechanics by considering gravitation and its effect on the orbits of planets with reference to Kepler's laws of planetary motion.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 02:05 last edited by
Bzzzt. 1687 for gravity and he was introducing binomial theorem in 1664.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 11:55 last edited by Doctor Phibes
Yeah, I bet being in the office really helped Newton a ton with that shit. As everybody knows, it was the apple in his back garden falling on him that first made him notice gravity. Up until that point, everybody just floated around.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 12:55 last edited by Axtremus
OK, name the most important discoveries or inventions made or great ideas conceived in the office vs those made or conceived outside of the office.
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OK, name the most important discoveries or inventions made or great ideas conceived in the office vs those made or conceived outside of the office.
wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 13:08 last edited by@Axtremus said in Return to Office EO:
OK, name the most important discoveries or inventions made or great ideas conceived in the office vs those made or conceived outside of the office.
Einstein's best-known theories were conceived while he worked in an office, but it was a patent office, so he was almost certainly either fucking about at work, or doing his clever stuff working from home.
Either one would indicate that he was not a model employee and should clearly have been more severely reprimanded before things got out of hand.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 14:19 last edited by
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wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 15:09 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Return to Office EO:
Yeah, but….
Coleridge lived through cholera. I believe that during that time he wrote the gloss to Ancient Mariner. He definitely wrote to Wordsworth on and off, implying that the latter had become a bit of a bitch in his later years. (Which, fair assessment.)
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wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 00:27 last edited by
Boy. This thread changed lanes quick! The reason for the new EO was announced for all to hear. It is one of doge’s plans to shrink the federal workforce. They realize some people have placed themselves quite a long ways from the “office” and they figure this new rule will initiate many folk just plain quitting. I doubt they have looked deeply into the logistics of moving the current telework force all back to the office since telework exploded with the pandemic. Many buildings have been let go and are no longer available to us. I have no idea how large a scale this issue is but currently The federal government has nowhere near enough office space to bring everybody back and that’s gonna cost money to do so.