Return to Office EO
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@89th said in Return to Office EO:
I believe most folks use government-issued equipment like laptops that are fully monitored and audited which can be shut down remotely if needed. If efficiency is the goal, forcing everyone back into an office is the opposite of that. I agree if someone is working on something that requires security they shouldn't be doing it from home. Admittedly I am biased as I work 1,000 miles away from my company. My team of 20 folks are so... two are fully remote (including me) and the rest are in the office 3 days, and home 2 days. There isn't any degradation in our production velocity, if anything we have gotten faster.
As I stated, it’s not about efficiency. It is about oversight, security, and accountability.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
No government employee should be working in a private home with who the fuck knows sitting behind them looking over their shoulders.
Does that include the President?
Because I've got news for you....
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Oh believe me, I have issues. But it’s the same issues with the last guy as well as the guy from 08-16
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@George-K said in Return to Office EO:
@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much.
Remember the Marc Andreessen interview? He said that if you're required to be "in office" one day a month, you'd schedule that day for the last day of the month, and on the next month, it would be first day.
Fly in, work a day, stay at a hotel, work a day, fly out.
58 or so consecutive days out of the office.
As long as the work got done right, no one should care whether it's "58 or so consecutive days out of the office."
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@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
I don’t even understand how/why this is controversial at all.
Let's see ... no "work from home" means more people driving more which means Elon sells more cars. Get it?
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@Axtremus said in Return to Office EO:
@George-K said in Return to Office EO:
@LuFins-Dad said in Return to Office EO:
Yes, employees hired specifically on a telework basis should have an out for the time being. Others? Not so much.
Remember the Marc Andreessen interview? He said that if you're required to be "in office" one day a month, you'd schedule that day for the last day of the month, and on the next month, it would be first day.
Fly in, work a day, stay at a hotel, work a day, fly out.
58 or so consecutive days out of the office.
As long as the work got done right, no one should care whether it's "58 or so consecutive days out of the office."
For me I have to go into the office every 90 days. I usually go every 85 days or so as to not cut it too close.
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When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@jon-nyc said in Return to Office EO:
Yeah, but….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
In 1665, he discovered the generalised binomial theorem and began to develop a mathematical theory that later became calculus. Soon after Newton obtained his BA degree at Cambridge in August 1665, the university temporarily closed as a precaution against the Great Plague.
In 1679, Newton returned to his work on celestial mechanics by considering gravitation and its effect on the orbits of planets with reference to Kepler's laws of planetary motion.
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Bzzzt. 1687 for gravity and he was introducing binomial theorem in 1664.
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Yeah, I bet being in the office really helped Newton a ton with that shit. As everybody knows, it was the apple in his back garden falling on him that first made him notice gravity. Up until that point, everybody just floated around.
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@Axtremus said in Return to Office EO:
OK, name the most important discoveries or inventions made or great ideas conceived in the office vs those made or conceived outside of the office.
Einstein's best-known theories were conceived while he worked in an office, but it was a patent office, so he was almost certainly either fucking about at work, or doing his clever stuff working from home.
Either one would indicate that he was not a model employee and should clearly have been more severely reprimanded before things got out of hand.
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@jon-nyc said in Return to Office EO:
Yeah, but….
Coleridge lived through cholera. I believe that during that time he wrote the gloss to Ancient Mariner. He definitely wrote to Wordsworth on and off, implying that the latter had become a bit of a bitch in his later years. (Which, fair assessment.)
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Boy. This thread changed lanes quick! The reason for the new EO was announced for all to hear. It is one of doge’s plans to shrink the federal workforce. They realize some people have placed themselves quite a long ways from the “office” and they figure this new rule will initiate many folk just plain quitting. I doubt they have looked deeply into the logistics of moving the current telework force all back to the office since telework exploded with the pandemic. Many buildings have been let go and are no longer available to us. I have no idea how large a scale this issue is but currently The federal government has nowhere near enough office space to bring everybody back and that’s gonna cost money to do so.
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Every agency has their own telework agreements and mine has an agreement made with our union stipulates one has to show up at the office two times per pay., Or once a week. In my situation, I have a seven minute drive to a fairly new building that was built just a few years ago to accommodate the closing down of our 40 Year Service Center building in Fresno. Anyways, my designated area is a cubicle in a room called hoteling. I like to come in every Friday and like TG said when people were all working in the office every day, the local economy benefited as we would all shop or eat lunch or whatever down in the city and that was a win-win for a local business. This room that I work in Fridays has over 100 cubicles and I am the only one there. There really is no purpose served by having me do this, but rules are rules and that’s how it is. To answer LD, yes, we are not working on personal computers at home. We have government issued laptops and we remote Into the network in the most secure of manners which include our own piv cards. We use Microsoft teams for meetings in my colleagues are strung out throughout the nation, my boss is in Memphis and another guy is in San Antonio and another guy is in St. Mary’s county in Southern Maryland where I used to live long ago
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@NobodySock said in Return to Office EO:
In my situation, I have a seven minute drive to a fairly new building that was built just a few years ago to accommodate the closing down of our 40 Year Service Center building in Fresno.
The struggle is real
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@Doctor-Phibes I knew I would get at least one reply of commisseration, thank you so much John. The struggle is real as the service center was only a 5 minute drive
