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  • brendaB brenda

    @George-K said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

    This once-honest, once-upright, defender of free speech has gone, I fear, irretrievably down the crapper.

    They've been in the crapper for some time now, and this is the final flush.

    Liberty for me, but not for thee. Where does this end when even the ACLU has lost its way?

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    @brenda said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

    the ACLU has lost its way

    The organization that supported a Nazi march through Skokie, IL (a very, very, Jewish community) in the 1960s has a staffer who says a college freshman's speech is dangerous.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Oh, that sound you hear?

      That's Sandmann's lawyer salivating - again.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Cancel people from colleges? Really?

        Time to start putting facist labels where they belong.

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        • George KG George K

          Oh, that sound you hear?

          That's Sandmann's lawyer salivating - again.

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          @George-K said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

          Oh, that sound you hear?

          That's Sandmann's lawyer salivating - again.

          After appearing at the Republican Convention, I think it could be argued the young man is now a public figure.

          Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @George-K said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

            Oh, that sound you hear?

            That's Sandmann's lawyer salivating - again.

            After appearing at the Republican Convention, I think it could be argued the young man is now a public figure.

            Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

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            @Jolly said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

            Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

            I wonder. What this asshat said is slanderous ("dangerous?") without any proof. I wonder...

            A court just ruled that Palin's slander lawsuit against the New York Times can proceed, you know.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              Transylvania should be very careful too

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG George K

                @Jolly said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

                I wonder. What this asshat said is slanderous ("dangerous?") without any proof. I wonder...

                A court just ruled that Palin's slander lawsuit against the New York Times can proceed, you know.

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                @George-K said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                @Jolly said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

                I wonder. What this asshat said is slanderous ("dangerous?") without any proof. I wonder...

                A court just ruled that Palin's slander lawsuit against the New York Times can proceed, you know.

                Actually, I hope so. Our slander and libel laws have become too lax, in regards to public figures.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                  NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                    NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

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                    @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                    It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                    NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                    You're right. Thread title edited to reflect this.

                    Hopefully the ACLU will discipline this staffer who is publicly saying hateful things about teenagers. I mean, we've come to that, haven't we?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @George-K said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                      Oh, that sound you hear?

                      That's Sandmann's lawyer salivating - again.

                      After appearing at the Republican Convention, I think it could be argued the young man is now a public figure.

                      Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

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                      @Jolly said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                      @George-K said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU:

                      Oh, that sound you hear?

                      That's Sandmann's lawyer salivating - again.

                      After appearing at the Republican Convention, I think it could be argued the young man is now a public figure.

                      Absolutely crappy on the part of the ACLU, but probably judgement proof...

                      I was just going to make that point. WaPo tired to argue that he was a public figure but that logic was a bit circular - the act of slandering the non-public figure made him a public figure.

                      But after the brouhaha he was almost certainly a public figure. And definitely so after the convention.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                        NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

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                        @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                        It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                        Turley says that in the article I cited:

                        "While the statement is from someone who expressly identifies as an ACLU staffer on social media, it is not a statement from the group. Yet, the sentiment reflects the growing concern over the new direction of the ACLU and the shift away from neutrality in the support of free speech rights."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                          NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

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                          @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                          It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                          NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                          How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

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                            @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                            It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                            NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                            How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

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                            @Loki said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                            How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this?

                            Which is what I said a few posts up, about the ACLU disciplining this guy. Actually, people have been fired for non-specific things they've said. This asshat calls out an individual.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                              It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                              NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                              How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

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                              @Loki said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                              @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                              It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                              NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                              How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

                              Nah, this is small potato compared to Pompeo trying to get around the Hatch Act while speaking at the RNC by claiming that he spoke there as an individual rather than as an agent of the State Department. If Pompeo's claim passed the sniff test for you, you should have no issue with this one.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                @Loki said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                                NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                                How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

                                Nah, this is small potato compared to Pompeo trying to get around the Hatch Act while speaking at the RNC by claiming that he spoke there as an individual rather than as an agent of the State Department. If Pompeo's claim passed the sniff test for you, you should have no issue with this one.

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                                @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                @Loki said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                                NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                                How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

                                Nah, this is small potato compared to Pompeo trying to get around the Hatch Act while speaking at the RNC by claiming that he spoke there as an individual rather than as an agent of the State Department. If Pompeo's claim passed the sniff test for you, you should have no issue with this one.

                                Nice whatabout fallacy. 👍

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                                  NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                                  MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
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                                  @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                  It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                                  NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                                  Totally chickenshit butt covering. Transparent and flimsy.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    @Loki said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                                    NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                                    How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

                                    Nah, this is small potato compared to Pompeo trying to get around the Hatch Act while speaking at the RNC by claiming that he spoke there as an individual rather than as an agent of the State Department. If Pompeo's claim passed the sniff test for you, you should have no issue with this one.

                                    Nice whatabout fallacy. 👍

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                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    @Loki said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    @Axtremus said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                    It's not the ACLU, it's Samuel Crankshaw's personal opinion, see the Facebook post by Crankshaw where he prefaced his post with these words:

                                    NOTE: These are my personal views that I am expressing on my personal Facebook page on my personal time. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my current or past employers. I have a First Amendment right to express my views just as Nick Sandmann has a First Amendment right to express his. I will continue to express my views on my personal time.

                                    How many people have been fired from their employer for doing just this? The defense doesn’t pass the sniff test to inoculate his employer although it likely passes the legal test.

                                    Nah, this is small potato compared to Pompeo trying to get around the Hatch Act while speaking at the RNC by claiming that he spoke there as an individual rather than as an agent of the State Department. If Pompeo's claim passed the sniff test for you, you should have no issue with this one.

                                    Nice whatabout fallacy. 👍

                                    You just compared apples to oranges, but then you will stoop to any level to justify your defective ideology.

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                                      Personally, if I was a university administrator, I'd jerk a knot in a professor's tail...

                                      https://bigleaguepolitics.com/university-professor-threatens-to-document-nick-sandmanns-behavior-on-campus-calls-his-beliefs-atrocious-and-uninformed/

                                      Wonder if the proffs are monitoring Mr. Hogg at Harvard?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Sandmann responds:

                                        https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covington-catholic-cancel-culture-nick-sandman

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Personally, if I was a university administrator, I'd jerk a knot in a professor's tail...

                                          https://bigleaguepolitics.com/university-professor-threatens-to-document-nick-sandmanns-behavior-on-campus-calls-his-beliefs-atrocious-and-uninformed/

                                          Wonder if the proffs are monitoring Mr. Hogg at Harvard?

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                                          @Jolly said in Nick Sandmann is dangerous, says the ACLU staffer:

                                          Personally, if I was a university administrator, I'd jerk a knot in a professor's tail...

                                          https://bigleaguepolitics.com/university-professor-threatens-to-document-nick-sandmanns-behavior-on-campus-calls-his-beliefs-atrocious-and-uninformed/

                                          I can’t tell if that professor has a tail. One school page refers to the professor as he, the next as she.

                                          The Brad

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