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Will TikTok Survive?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #1

    Reading blogs and X posts regarding today's SCOTUS hearing, it seems unlikely.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      Hopefully it dies. I have good intel on how compromised it is, too.

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      • 89th8 89th

        Hopefully it dies. I have good intel on how compromised it is, too.

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        @89th said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:

        I have good intel on how compromised it is,

        You really expect us to accept that comment without some deets?

        WTF is wrong with you?

        (not that you're wrong, but, c'mon man, spill it!)

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          Hah just from my time in northern Virginia. Plenty of friends who work for intelligence or defense, and yes, FBI too. I’ll put it this way, people in the intel world don’t let their kids have it on their phone. Unless you want China to record every step of your (phone’s) movement, plus audio/visual risks.

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          • George KG Offline
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            I use an iPhone (duh).

            When I install a new app, I'm asked if I want to allow it to track my data with other services.

            I always say "No, do not allow."

            Does Tik-Tok get around this? I don't have installed by the way.

            Also how will @kluurs cope?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              #6

              Most apps respect your configurations for sharing data or location, for sure.

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                One interesting thing is the law bans updates and distribution of the app. It doesn’t ban your having it if you already do.

                It’s kind of brilliant as it will reduce the immediate backlash as current users continue for now but the app withers and dies slowly.

                There is speculation that the CCP will shut it down entirely on its own, in the US anyway, to maximize blowback so that Trump will figure out how to save the CCP’s control of the main source of news for Americans 30 and under and Ken.

                You were warned.

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                • kluursK Offline
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                  #8

                  I think that our Meta, Google and other interested parties wanted to pressure Tik Tok to sell. The pressure would result in fire sale pricing, a desirable end. Many value Tik Tok at a multiple of the value of Twitter - so getting it a discount would be desireable.

                  As as a secondary concern, Tik Tok has been a bit more pro-Palestine (less under the influence of Mossad) than other social media - with videos of Israeli soldiers sharing things that aren't meant for wide viewing. With the pincers of AIPAC and big tech, Tik Tok will likely fall beneath the waves on the 20th. OTOH, Bytedance's saying they will shut the app down on the 19th, one will have a firestorm of invective directed at congress. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose income is either partially or fully derived from Tik Tok. There are people who are crippled whose sole outside income comes from views and/or sales on Tik Tok.

                  While AIPAC and big tech typically would be unbeatable, this is where Trump can make some friends. I expect him to undo the ban on day one. He might be the one politician more interested in the adulation of the 100 million plus - as opposed to the affection of AIPAC and big tech.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    Is that how the CCP is spinning it to you? Mossad vs the people?

                    By the way Trump can’t just undo it. It’s a law passed by both houses of congress. Maybe he could refuse to enforce it but that would be pretty risky for Apple and Google to play along. The eventual fine when we someday get a president less friendly to the CCP influencing our kids would be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. ($5,000 per user per download or upgrade).

                    You were warned.

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      The purpose of TikTok isn’t unique and another app will come along in the next year or two and replace it. That’s my guess. It’s just infinite-scrolling with algorithms and live feeds.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        #11

                        YouTube shorts is the same thing minus CCP control. Inane video after inane video.

                        You were warned.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          YouTube shorts is the same thing minus CCP control. Inane video after inane video.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:

                          YouTube shorts is the same thing minus CCP control. Inane video after inane video.

                          She's not inane, she's my future wife!

                          I was only joking

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            YouTube shorts is the same thing minus CCP control. Inane video after inane video.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:

                            YouTube shorts is the same thing minus CCP control. Inane video after inane video.

                            So to be clear, YouTube shorts will still entertain and make you stupid, but you’d still realize the TikTok issue is one of national security, not the people vs the JOOS.

                            You were warned.

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                              By the way, the fact that China would close a business they could sell for many billions is a very clear indication that this is a psyop first and foremost and a business only secondarily.

                              You were warned.

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                                I spent the afternoon napping listening to a couple of lawyers discuss, in real time, the arguments before SCOTUS. These lawyers' opinion is that TikTok is dead as of Jan 19.

                                Link to video

                                The TikTok discussion starts at 2:21

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Yeah the idea that this implicates the first amendment seems really really weak. Chinese psyops don’t really have free speech rights in the US.

                                  You were warned.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Yeah the idea that this implicates the first amendment seems really really weak. Chinese psyops don’t really have free speech rights in the US.

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                                    George K
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:

                                    Yeah the idea that this implicates the first amendment seems really really weak. Chinese psyops don’t really have free speech rights in the US.

                                    They went round and round with hypotheticals, like "If Jeff Bezos were owned (or blackmailed) by the Chinese, it that an infringement of free speech?"

                                    Bottom line - if you're not in the country, or a US citizen (the implication being that non-citizens have a right) the 1st Amendment is irrelevant.

                                    The fact that TIkTok won't be divested from Bytedance tells you a lot.

                                    They predict it'll go dark on the 19th.

                                    ETA: There was some speculation since the law has already passed, that Trump could choose to not enforce the law.

                                    POTUS not enforcing laws.

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      I talked about that earlier. If you’re the general counsel of Apple or Google you’re not going to recommend that.

                                      What if someday we get a president who is against CCP psyops targeting virtually every American under 30? Seems strange I know, but it could happen.

                                      You were warned.

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        It's all psyops and algorithms if you have a cellphone or go online.

                                        You think Elon Musk makes money selling Tesla vehicles? Silly boy, that's not what Tesla is for...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Personally I’d make a distinction between Elon trying to make money and the CCP trying to destabilize our country and collect material to blackmail future leaders.

                                          But I’m funny that like.

                                          You were warned.

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