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  • A Axtremus
    10 Jan 2025, 12:43

    @George-K said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

    Trump can effectively pardon himself.

    US President cannot pardon state offenses.

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    George K
    wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:04 last edited by
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    @Axtremus said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

    @George-K said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

    Trump can effectively pardon himself.

    US President cannot pardon state offenses.

    Point taken.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • J jon-nyc
      10 Jan 2025, 12:43

      It makes him historic.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:09 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

      It makes him historic.

      He already is.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:14 last edited by
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        Now he’ll be even more historic.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        • G George K
          10 Jan 2025, 12:38

          I watched an attorney (one who is licensed, if that's the word, to argue before SCOTUS) talk about this. He made some interesting points.

          First of all, the decisions by the lower appellate courts gave no legal basis for denying the appeal. One of judgments was only one page long, with no cited law. The other, though longer, also cited no legal basis for denial. They just said "nope."

          However, and I think this is where SCOTUS is coming from, he questioned whether SCOTUS actually has jurisdiction in this case. I forget his reasoning for this - I'll have to rewatch it - but it makes sense if that's the case.

          On the bright side, just like the child-molester, Trump can effectively pardon himself.

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          George K
          wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:19 last edited by
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          @George-K said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

          However, and I think this is where SCOTUS is coming from, he questioned whether SCOTUS actually has jurisdiction in this case

          His point is that there was no statement of jurisdiction in the appeal - IOW, why SCOTUS should hear this case. The "right way to do this would be to file an appeal in US district court on a writ of prohibition. If that's denied go to SCOTUS."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            10 Jan 2025, 12:38

            I watched an attorney (one who is licensed, if that's the word, to argue before SCOTUS) talk about this. He made some interesting points.

            First of all, the decisions by the lower appellate courts gave no legal basis for denying the appeal. One of judgments was only one page long, with no cited law. The other, though longer, also cited no legal basis for denial. They just said "nope."

            However, and I think this is where SCOTUS is coming from, he questioned whether SCOTUS actually has jurisdiction in this case. I forget his reasoning for this - I'll have to rewatch it - but it makes sense if that's the case.

            On the bright side, just like the child-molester, Trump can effectively pardon himself.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:37 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Oct 2025, 13:38
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            @George-K said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

            First of all, the decisions by the lower appellate courts gave no legal basis for denying the appeal. One of judgments was only one page long, with no cited law. The other, though longer, also cited no legal basis for denial. They just said "nope."

            I haven't read the judgement. But the case seemed pretty weak according to Advisory Opinions analysis yesterday. TFM made three arguments: (1) Immunity gives him the right to stay sentencing pending appeal , (2) Some evidence shouldn't have been allowed due to presidential immunity, (3) he's president elect, so he's special.

            (1) It's true that in general, claims of immunity are adjudicated before court proceeding start (or continue) because immunity gives you immunity from the process itself. But this doesn't really apply since the crimes he was convicted of occurred before he was president.

            (2) Some evidence introduced was from when he was president and might not have been allowed. This is true as far as it goes, but in general sentencing doesn't stop just because a defendant wants to appeal some evidence. You appeal after sentencing.

            (3) The constitution doesn't recognize president-elect as a 'citizen+'. And while it's true he is busy interviewing people for roles, this stuff even happens before elections. We have one president at a time, and the fat man aint him.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:37 last edited by
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              Is there anybody in the legal profession that doesn't think Bragg's case gets overturned?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 13:40 last edited by
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                If that happens, think of how historic TFM will be. The first convicted felon to be president, and the president to have his felony convictions overturned. He's just racking up the records here.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 14:27 last edited by
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                  Hysterical.

                  The Brad

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                    89th
                    wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 14:31 last edited by 89th 1 Oct 2025, 14:32
                    #18

                    Trump will be known in the history books for his MAGA movement and January 6th. Maybe for presiding over COVID. And his business successes and bankruptcies, and I guess felonies, too. Oh and maybe giving Elon a blowjob, but future kids will claim it's AI.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 14:44 last edited by
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                      SCOTUS:

                      https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/010925zr_2d8f.pdf


                      The application for stay presented to Justice Sotomayor and
                      by her referred to the Court is denied for, inter alia, the
                      following reasons. First, the alleged evidentiary violations at
                      President-Elect Trump’s state-court trial can be addressed in the
                      ordinary course on appea
                      l. Second, the burden that sentencing
                      will impose on the President-Elect’s responsibilities is
                      relatively insubstantial in light of the trial court’s stated
                      intent to impose a sentence of “unconditional discharge” after a
                      brief virtual hearing.

                      Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice
                      Kavanaugh would grant the application.


                      IOW, the reason SCOTUS declined is because, as I noted above, the appeal process had not run its course.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 14:57 last edited by
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                        Yep. Same as my #2. #s 1 and 3 don’t apply.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 14:57 last edited by
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                          What a good look that Alito calls Trump to request a favor knowing more Trump shit was headed his way this week.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 16:32 last edited by
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                            “Trump receives unconditional discharge”.

                            Headline? Or porn flick?

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 17:02 last edited by
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                              A judge sentenced Trump to an unconditional discharge today. I can relate. I had one of those at the Fair in 2007 after a bacon wrapped deep-fried cheesecake. Prayers up to the President elect.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 17:11 last edited by
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                                Wait til he meets Bubba, who’s giving the unconditional discharge.

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 18:13 last edited by
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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 18:26 last edited by
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                                    As a tactic, this is the kind of stuff that elected Trump.

                                    Now, this is going to be overturned. When it is, does a really nice case for violating Trump's civil rights exist? I've read some think it does...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 18:26 last edited by
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                                      Secondly, is there a civil case in here, somewhere?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • J jon-nyc
                                        10 Jan 2025, 03:29

                                        He gets sentenced in NY (5-4 SCOTUS) and Jack Smith can release his report. (As he should, it’s the law. Remember Hur’s report?)

                                        I guess this will officially make him a convicted felon.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 19:38 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Couple Ls for the fat man:

                                        (...Remember Hur’s report?)

                                        You mean the one that said the dried up, grifting, child molester was too senile to take to court despite his crimes? That report?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 10 Jan 2025, 19:41 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Oct 2025, 19:41
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                                          The one the said over and over there was insufficient evidence to pursue him and then he threw in that comment so he’d be a magat hero instead of a magat goat.

                                          But the point is the Biden DoJ released it.

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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