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  • G George K
    19 Dec 2024, 22:47

    One of the things that people were critical of is that the 1500 page document wasn't really a "continuing resolution," but an "omnibus bill" full of stuff not necessary to keep the government going.

    The vote, tonight, will be interesting.

    Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP? One or three defections will kill it.

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 05:44 last edited by
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    @George-K said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

    Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP?

    Nope

    https://apnews.com/live/government-shutdown-congress-spending-trump-updates

    The House of Representatives has rejected President-elect Donald Trump’s new plan to fund federal operations and suspend the debt ceiling a day before a government shutdown.

    Almost three dozen Republicans joined Democrats to vote against Trump’s sudden demands and the quick fix cobbled together by GOP leaders. The bill fell 174-235, failing to earn even a majority of votes.

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 08:57 last edited by
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      The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

      Sad.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 11:26 last edited by
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        I want to remind everyone that it was House Republicans who decided in September to have the CR expire 12/20 rather than a month or two into the new administration.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • A Axtremus
          20 Dec 2024, 08:57

          The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

          Sad.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 12:42 last edited by
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          @Axtremus said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

          The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

          Sad.

          That's what, the fourth identical comment in two days? You're griping, but you withheld your magnificence from the Dems and social media, allowing Trump to win because of your negligence? Simply because you needed to gripe? Identical gripes?

          That, sirrah, deserves musica!

          Link to video

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            George K
            wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 12:52 last edited by
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            That's Tony Levin on bass - he toured with Peter Gabriel a lot. The man is a genius.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 12:54 last edited by
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              Saw Paul Simon in 2006 in Rosemont. Best band I ever saw. I believe Leland Sklar played bass that night.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Mik
                wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 13:46 last edited by
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                There's a new clean bill that will be voted on this morning. I don't love the chaos, but I do love that at least someone is fighting to stop the insanity.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 13:51 last edited by
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                  All the bitching is working in Trump and the Republicans favor…

                  The Brad

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 13:54 last edited by
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                    Republicans put out a bill that would cover the costs of running the government, pay $100,000,000,000 in disaster relief, and extend the farm bill. Not a single democrat voted for it because it lacked 1300 pages of pork…

                    The Brad

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 14:05 last edited by
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                      What was the reason given by the 38 no votes by republicans?

                      The Brad

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 14:07 last edited by
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                        One of Trump’s many failures is his inability to promote and endorse others. There are so many Dem House members in districts that he won…

                        The Brad

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 15:29 last edited by
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 15:34 last edited by
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                            So let me throw it out there. Does DOGE want a shutdown? The last shutdown strengthened their argument about how little government actually accomplishes, and the US got along just fine during the shutdown… It also helps them see what programs and departments truly are critical and how much is actually just overkill and redundant.

                            The Brad

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                              89th
                              wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 17:40 last edited by
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                              Shutting down the government is like turning off a train at high speed. The "See? Nothing changed" argument doesn't hold water over time.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 17:41 last edited by
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                                Aside from function, the indirect impact you would feel with dropping sales at your shop @LuFins-Dad and more people on @Copper 's golf course. No bueno.

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                                  20 Dec 2024, 17:40

                                  Shutting down the government is like turning off a train at high speed. The "See? Nothing changed" argument doesn't hold water over time.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 17:46 last edited by
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                                  @89th said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

                                  Shutting down the government is like turning off a train at high speed. The "See? Nothing changed" argument doesn't hold water over time.

                                  Very little did change the last time… 35 days…

                                  The Brad

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 17:53 last edited by
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                                    Oh I meant longer term than that. I think there's like 3 million people in NoVa, of which 600,000 are either federal employees or federal contractors. Let's say the top 50% of the 3 million can afford a piano, you're looking at 40% of the local market no longer having the means to purchase a piano. Again, long term...

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                                      89th
                                      wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 17:53 last edited by
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                                      BTW I'm not saying that is a reason to keep the government open. Pretty much each job I have departed I could easily see 20-30% of the team cut without any impact to the team's output, for various reasons.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 18:03 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                        We won’t notice …. Unless we do. Like if you’re the one who can’t get his passport renewed in time, or you’re the one who faces a 2 hour delay at airport security or a canceled flight because so many call in sick (like last time), tired of working without getting paid.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                          20 Dec 2024, 14:05

                                          What was the reason given by the 38 no votes by republicans?

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 20 Dec 2024, 18:09 last edited by
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

                                          What was the reason given by the 38 no votes by republicans?

                                          Didn’t want to raise the debt limit without spending cuts.

                                          Trump had been insisting on raising it before he gets into office so it isn’t ’on him’.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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