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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #61

    I don’t know that to be true. Originally it was everybody, because there were only so many sources. What criteria have been used to add new ones I don’t know. It may well have been publicized at some point along the way.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      A Whitehouse Presser is a privilege. There is no Constitutional requirement to hold one.

      Mr. Biden did very few.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        It is impossible to imagine anybody taking seriously the perspective that access to the WH briefing room during KJP's reign there, equaled access to important reportable information. Again, the hand wringing here is not impressive. At least this press secretary is relatively transparent and direct in her answers. (For those of us who've ever listened to her.) My guess is that the AP will get their credential back if they stop holding their breath. I also guess that their reporting will be identical with or without that credential.

        Education is extremely important.

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          They're just going to copy the NYT, regardless.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #65

            THey've even lost Glen Greenwald.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
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              #66

              Statement from FIRE.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Trump files a lawsuit over publishing an outlier poll result.

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                #67

                @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                Trump files a lawsuit over publishing an outlier poll result.

                FIRE to mount her defense.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #68

                  20 minutes apart.

                  IMG_2932.jpeg

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    #69

                    The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                    https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                    I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                      https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                      I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

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                      @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                      The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                      https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                      I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

                      The Whitehouse is not excluding them, except in small venues and they aren't excluding them at all from public events.

                      It's bad optics, but I don't think it is unconstitutional. We shall see.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        It's similar to Disney vs Florida, where Florida revoked a sweetheart business deal it had with Disney, and Disney called it a violation of their right to free speech. The Disney lawsuit got defeated in court, as I expect this to be.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Newsmax and Fox News are among the outlets who have reportedly signed onto a letter pushing back on the Trump administration’s decision to restrict the Associated Press’s White House access, in a dispute over President Trump renaming the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America.

                          “The First Amendment prohibits the government from asserting control over how news organizations make editorial decisions. Any attempt to punish journalists for those decisions is a serious breach of this Constitutional protection,” the letter reads,

                          https://thehill.com/homenews/5155957-newsmax-fox-news-support-ap-first-amendment/

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                            As Horace said, we shall see.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              I imagine Fox and Newsmax can think further ahead than the next couple of years, which is a concept that a number of people on both sides of the political divide seem to struggle with.

                              I was only joking

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                                This is just such a practically meaningless thing. I chuckle at the idea that an in-person presser with KJP is considered an important fundamental right of the press. Those abject nothing-burgers of question avoidance are a cornerstone of the press's ability to do its job.

                                I know this is for the principle of it, but the principle of it really does boil down to how to ration finite seats in a press conference.

                                If this happens to conservative news sources in a future administration, it'll only be red meat to their base, so I don't think I'm being hypocritical with my shrug here.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

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                                    @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

                                    I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

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                                      @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                      It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

                                      I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

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                                      @taiwan_girl He can always be framed that way, and I suspect he is happy to be underestimated. It's part of his power. Keep it up.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                        It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

                                        I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                        @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                        It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

                                        I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

                                        Some of the best effective politicians I've ever seen, could be vindictive assholes. Pelosi, anyone?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                                          https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                                          I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #80

                                          @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                          The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                                          There’s been movement on this. The judge, a Trump appointee, refused APs request for a TRO but then outright told the administration that the law and precedent is not on their side in this matter, setting some early dates for a preliminary injunction hearing.

                                          Then he gave them an out. Musing out loud, he said it would be different if they hadn’t outsourced press attendance decisions to the WH Correspondents Association.

                                          So the administration announced the following day that they are revoking the WHCA’s century-old role in managing the rotating pool of reporters that has access to small spaces like AF1 and the Oval Office.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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