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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

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    @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

    When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

    Compelled speech... you wonder what Jordan Peterson is thinking right now.

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      He's thinking some of you are picayunish idiots.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

        When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

        In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

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        @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

        @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

        When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

        In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

        FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

          When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

          In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

          FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

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          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

          @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

          When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

          In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

          FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

          It's difficult for me to take seriously any claim that political alignment has never played a part in the secret filtering process of which media outlets are included and excluded from the WH press briefing room. Now those decisions are under a microscope, and the rhetorical hand wringers can do their hand wringing. I'm not obligated to be impressed.

          Education is extremely important.

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            I’ll call that faith-based whattabouttism. “Your side has probably done it too, but secretly”.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              I’ll call that faith-based whattabouttism. “Your side has probably done it too, but secretly”.

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              @jon-nyc I need no faith for the two claims in that post. That the filtering process for which media gets a seat in the briefing room is secret, and that political alignment plays a role. Are you denying either of those?

              Education is extremely important.

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                It's a term. One that is apparently not engraved in stone.

                I think the issue is a bit silly, but so be it. No First Amendment rights have been abridged.

                Access to the Whitehouse Briefing Room is a privilege, it is not a right. People have been barred in the past and they will be barred in the future.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  I don’t know that to be true. Originally it was everybody, because there were only so many sources. What criteria have been used to add new ones I don’t know. It may well have been publicized at some point along the way.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    A Whitehouse Presser is a privilege. There is no Constitutional requirement to hold one.

                    Mr. Biden did very few.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      It is impossible to imagine anybody taking seriously the perspective that access to the WH briefing room during KJP's reign there, equaled access to important reportable information. Again, the hand wringing here is not impressive. At least this press secretary is relatively transparent and direct in her answers. (For those of us who've ever listened to her.) My guess is that the AP will get their credential back if they stop holding their breath. I also guess that their reporting will be identical with or without that credential.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        They're just going to copy the NYT, regardless.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          THey've even lost Glen Greenwald.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Statement from FIRE.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Trump files a lawsuit over publishing an outlier poll result.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                              Trump files a lawsuit over publishing an outlier poll result.

                              FIRE to mount her defense.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                20 minutes apart.

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                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                                  https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                                  I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                                    https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                                    I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

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                                    @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                                    https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                                    I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

                                    The Whitehouse is not excluding them, except in small venues and they aren't excluding them at all from public events.

                                    It's bad optics, but I don't think it is unconstitutional. We shall see.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      It's similar to Disney vs Florida, where Florida revoked a sweetheart business deal it had with Disney, and Disney called it a violation of their right to free speech. The Disney lawsuit got defeated in court, as I expect this to be.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Newsmax and Fox News are among the outlets who have reportedly signed onto a letter pushing back on the Trump administration’s decision to restrict the Associated Press’s White House access, in a dispute over President Trump renaming the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America.

                                        “The First Amendment prohibits the government from asserting control over how news organizations make editorial decisions. Any attempt to punish journalists for those decisions is a serious breach of this Constitutional protection,” the letter reads,

                                        https://thehill.com/homenews/5155957-newsmax-fox-news-support-ap-first-amendment/

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                                          As Horace said, we shall see.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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