Mr. Clemency
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@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
Oh, yes. Yes, they are.
Willie Horton was paroled and then killed someone. These guys are ineligible for parole and will leave jail feet first.
@jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:
@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
Oh, yes. Yes, they are.
Willie Horton was paroled and then killed someone. These guys are ineligible for parole and will leave jail feet first.
Doesn’t matter. He circumvented the justice system and some really horrible, evil people will now live out their lives. It’s a perfect example of the Dem party’s lawlessness and every candidate for years will be required to either support or condemn it.
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Were these general “get out of jail free” cards regardless of what they did? If so, has that ever been taken to the courts?
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Were these general “get out of jail free” cards regardless of what they did? If so, has that ever been taken to the courts?
@LuFins-Dad said in Mr. Clemency:
Were these general “get out of jail free” cards regardless of what they did?
Sounds like it. I believe Ford set the precedent.
If so, has that ever been taken to the courts?
That would be interesting. I suspect courts would affirm that POTUS pardon power is plenary so go away.
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BTW: Kinsinger said (two weeks ago) he would not accept a pardon because it makes him "look guilty."
"These are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Seen on X:
"The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment. "
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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ODGCM releases cop-killers.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/news-releases/2025/january/name-1039284-en.html
"I am beyond outraged and in utter disbelief that President Biden would announce clemency for Ferrone Claiborne and Terence Richardson—two men who admitted for being responsible to brutally killing Officer Allen Gibson, a hero and dedicated servant to our community,” said Governor Glenn Youngkin. “What makes this even more unconscionable is the Biden U.S Attorney advised the White House not to commute these sentences as they are violent offenders. The pain and sorrow this clemency causes the Gibson family is unimaginable. To know that the men who took Officer Gibson’s life will walk free is not just a grave injustice—it is a heartbreaking blow to those who continue to mourn his sacrifice. This is despicable; a grim day for justice and for the families who trust that our system will hold the guilty accountable.”
Both prisoners admitted to being responsible for the brutal killing of Officer Allen Gibson in Sussex County Circuit Court. The evidence presented and the details surrounding Officer Gibson's death are deeply disturbing and tragic.
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Seen on X:
"The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment. "
@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Seen on X:
"The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment. "
Nice to see that Milley, Fauci et al admit their guilt.
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915), is a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court regarding the nature of presidential pardons and their acceptance. The case centered on whether a pardon must be accepted by the recipient to take effect and the implications of accepting a pardon on one's legal status.
Key Facts:
- Background: George Burdick, the editor of the New York Tribune, was subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury investigating customs fraud. He refused to answer questions, invoking the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.
- Presidential Pardon: President Woodrow Wilson issued Burdick a full pardon for any offenses he may have committed in connection with the investigation, effectively removing the risk of self-incrimination.
- Refusal to Accept: Burdick declined the pardon, arguing that accepting it would imply an admission of guilt. He continued to refuse to testify.
Supreme Court Decision:
The Court ruled in favor of Burdick, holding that:
- Pardon Must Be Accepted: A pardon is a voluntary act that must be accepted by the recipient to be effective. The Court stated that "a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and acceptance carries a confession of it."
- Implications of Refusal: By refusing the pardon, Burdick retained his Fifth Amendment rights and could not be compelled to testify.
Significance:
- This case established that a presidential pardon is not automatic and requires the consent of the individual being pardoned.
It clarified the constitutional limits of executive clemency, emphasizing the autonomy of individuals to reject such acts. - The ruling has been cited in subsequent cases and discussions about the nature of pardons and their implications for legal rights and reputations.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Seen on X:
"The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment. "
@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Seen on X:
"The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment. "
Meh. “I do not recall….”
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Seen on X:
"The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment. "
Nice to see that Milley, Fauci et al admit their guilt.
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915), is a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court regarding the nature of presidential pardons and their acceptance. The case centered on whether a pardon must be accepted by the recipient to take effect and the implications of accepting a pardon on one's legal status.
Key Facts:
- Background: George Burdick, the editor of the New York Tribune, was subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury investigating customs fraud. He refused to answer questions, invoking the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.
- Presidential Pardon: President Woodrow Wilson issued Burdick a full pardon for any offenses he may have committed in connection with the investigation, effectively removing the risk of self-incrimination.
- Refusal to Accept: Burdick declined the pardon, arguing that accepting it would imply an admission of guilt. He continued to refuse to testify.
Supreme Court Decision:
The Court ruled in favor of Burdick, holding that:
- Pardon Must Be Accepted: A pardon is a voluntary act that must be accepted by the recipient to be effective. The Court stated that "a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and acceptance carries a confession of it."
- Implications of Refusal: By refusing the pardon, Burdick retained his Fifth Amendment rights and could not be compelled to testify.
Significance:
- This case established that a presidential pardon is not automatic and requires the consent of the individual being pardoned.
It clarified the constitutional limits of executive clemency, emphasizing the autonomy of individuals to reject such acts. - The ruling has been cited in subsequent cases and discussions about the nature of pardons and their implications for legal rights and reputations.
@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Nice to see that Milley, Fauci et al admit their guilt.
In normal times sure. Today it’s just reflective of believing Trump when he says he’s committed to lawfare.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
