Mr. Clemency
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@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
What I'm saying is Trump (unnecessarily) gave Biden political cover for the pardons...even though Trumps past actions don't indicate a predilection towards 'lawfare'.
If Trump had kept his mouth shut--even in the post election time period--Bidens handlers may not have felt the justification to write up these pardons, and we'd have been able to get the investigations he claims to have wanted. Unless, in a sort of 4(or maybe 5 or 6)D chess move--he knew the investigations would fizzle out...So by by threatening prosecution, he tricked the Biden crime family into pardoning themselves--making them look guilty, which would achieve the best effort-to-victory ratio possible under the circumstances.
@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
What I'm saying is Trump (unnecessarily) gave Biden political cover for the pardons...even though Trumps past actions don't indicate a predilection towards 'lawfare'.
If Trump had kept his mouth shut--even in the post election time period--Bidens handlers may not have felt the justification to write up these pardons, and we'd have been able to get the investigations he claims to have wanted. Unless, in a sort of 4(or maybe 5 or 6)D chess move--he knew the investigations would fizzle out...So by by threatening prosecution, he tricked the Biden crime family into pardoning themselves--making them look guilty, which would achieve the best effort-to-victory ratio possible under the circumstances.
Exactly. Biden fell right into the trap that was set for him. Trump doesn't have to waste time going after a doddering old man because he already, for all intents and purposes, admitted their guilt. All of them.
Now Trump can claim to have risen above lawfare.
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@Horace said in Mr. Clemency:
@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:
I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.
Except when those flaws include Treason. Sorry, you're fired!
And yet given a vote, a majority of Americans have effectively found him not guilty; and trusted him to be their boss.
Do you think a focussed legal trial would have produced a different result?
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And yet given a vote, a majority of Americans have effectively found him not guilty; and trusted him to be their boss.
Do you think a focussed legal trial would have produced a different result?
@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:
And yet given a vote, a majority of Americans have effectively found him not guilty; and trusted him to be their boss.
Not even a majority of voters. But he got a solid plurality.
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And yet given a vote, a majority of Americans have effectively found him not guilty; and trusted him to be their boss.
Do you think a focussed legal trial would have produced a different result?
