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More Pardons Coming

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  • MikM Offline
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    If you shoot at the king, you'd better kill him.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      He will justify this move, should he make it, based on the claim that Trump will weaponize his Justice Department

      Claim??? Trump has promised to do so, over and over and over. It was a theme of his campaign.

      You think he initially chose Gaetz because he was seeking square-jaw McGraw?

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Could someone be arrested for perjury or something like that if it is associated with a crime that they are pardoned for?

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          Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            #6

            Do the Dems really want to go down this road?

            They were worried about Trump being Hitler. If so, this is handing Hitler carte blanche and yelling sic 'em!

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.

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              George K
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              @jon-nyc said in More Pardons Coming:

              Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.

              If I understand the pardon correctly, he is not immune from prosecution for anything that happened after December 1. If he perjures himself after that date, he can still be prosecuted.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Sure

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Do the Dems really want to go down this road?

                  They were worried about Trump being Hitler. If so, this is handing Hitler carte blanche and yelling sic 'em!

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                  @Jolly said in More Pardons Coming:

                  Do the Dems really want to go down this road?

                  I think it is stupid and certainly hope not.

                  Hunter Biden should not have been pardoned. As his father, I can see it, but a president almost has to put country above family.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/12/04/biden-white-house-pardons-00192610

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        @George-K What is the saying: "That didn't age well". LOL

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                          National Review

                          Should We Ban Pardons Between Election Day and Inauguration Day?

                          A reader of the Wall Street Journal writes in to the paper, urging the country to adopt a constitutional amendment that would bar pardons and executive orders between Election Day and the inauguration.

                          I could see the argument that a complete ban on executive orders for more than two months would be too much of an impediment to the president performing his duties. For example, Joe Biden issued an executive order closing federal agencies on January 9 for a national day of mourning for former president Jimmy Carter. Biden signed some executive orders declaring orders of succession in the positions of National Cyber Director, Office of Management and Budget, and Departments of Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security and Agriculture. Not every last-minute action of Biden has been bad, or even all that consequential.

                          But a constitutional ban on pardons between Election Day and the inauguration sounds pretty appealing right now. (Biden is reportedly considering preemptive pardons to prominent critics of President-elect Trump, individuals who are not currently being either investigated or charged with crimes. This is akin to a get-out-of-jail free card from Monopoly.)

                          If a president wants to make a particularly controversial pardon, let him do so in a way ensuring either he, or his party’s successor, will face the consequences in the form of the voters’ judgment.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Makes sense.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Makes sense.

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                              @Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Not happening.

                                But...Can Biden's actions have political value in the midterms?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  It very much can, but to maximize it Trump needs to stay above the fray as much as is possible, to be more presidential. I think we've seen more of that this time. I hope it continues. The media TDS machine is already revved up - he just needs to treat it like the noise in the background.

                                  It's a lot to expect and I may be disappointed, but there's always hope.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.

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                                    @George-K said in More Pardons Coming:

                                    @Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.

                                    Understood. But it still makes sense .

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Seems pretty easy to have the pardons ready to be issued at 11:59pm on Election Day.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        But agreed amendments are hard and this one would be no one’s priority

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                          Also seems pretty arbitrary and useless if the president wins reelection

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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