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More Pardons Coming

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.

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    @jon-nyc said in More Pardons Coming:

    Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.

    If I understand the pardon correctly, he is not immune from prosecution for anything that happened after December 1. If he perjures himself after that date, he can still be prosecuted.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Sure

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Do the Dems really want to go down this road?

        They were worried about Trump being Hitler. If so, this is handing Hitler carte blanche and yelling sic 'em!

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        @Jolly said in More Pardons Coming:

        Do the Dems really want to go down this road?

        I think it is stupid and certainly hope not.

        Hunter Biden should not have been pardoned. As his father, I can see it, but a president almost has to put country above family.

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          https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/12/04/biden-white-house-pardons-00192610

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

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              @George-K What is the saying: "That didn't age well". LOL

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                National Review

                Should We Ban Pardons Between Election Day and Inauguration Day?

                A reader of the Wall Street Journal writes in to the paper, urging the country to adopt a constitutional amendment that would bar pardons and executive orders between Election Day and the inauguration.

                I could see the argument that a complete ban on executive orders for more than two months would be too much of an impediment to the president performing his duties. For example, Joe Biden issued an executive order closing federal agencies on January 9 for a national day of mourning for former president Jimmy Carter. Biden signed some executive orders declaring orders of succession in the positions of National Cyber Director, Office of Management and Budget, and Departments of Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security and Agriculture. Not every last-minute action of Biden has been bad, or even all that consequential.

                But a constitutional ban on pardons between Election Day and the inauguration sounds pretty appealing right now. (Biden is reportedly considering preemptive pardons to prominent critics of President-elect Trump, individuals who are not currently being either investigated or charged with crimes. This is akin to a get-out-of-jail free card from Monopoly.)

                If a president wants to make a particularly controversial pardon, let him do so in a way ensuring either he, or his party’s successor, will face the consequences in the form of the voters’ judgment.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Makes sense.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Makes sense.

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                    @Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Not happening.

                      But...Can Biden's actions have political value in the midterms?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        It very much can, but to maximize it Trump needs to stay above the fray as much as is possible, to be more presidential. I think we've seen more of that this time. I hope it continues. The media TDS machine is already revved up - he just needs to treat it like the noise in the background.

                        It's a lot to expect and I may be disappointed, but there's always hope.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          @Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.

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                          @George-K said in More Pardons Coming:

                          @Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.

                          Understood. But it still makes sense .

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Seems pretty easy to have the pardons ready to be issued at 11:59pm on Election Day.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              But agreed amendments are hard and this one would be no one’s priority

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Also seems pretty arbitrary and useless if the president wins reelection

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  What I don’t get is how there were any left. Obama and Trump both pardoned non-violent drug offenders.

                                  Plus it’s always been a small number. The reformers fantasy has always been you have all these nice guys in federal prison who’s only crime was they did inhale but it just wasn’t true.

                                  Maybe earlier rounds excluded people dealing? And now this gets the dealers? I really don’t know.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    It could be that Obama was more targeted. I remember there was concern about sentencing disparities between black drug users crack cocaine and white the powdery kind, for example. Maybe he target those things. I’m too lazy to look it up.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      It could be that Obama was more targeted. I remember there was concern about sentencing disparities between black drug users crack cocaine and white the powdery kind, for example. Maybe he target those things. I’m too lazy to look it up.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in More Pardons Coming:

                                      It could be that Obama was more targeted. I remember there was concern about sentencing disparities between black drug users crack cocaine and white the powdery kind, for example. Maybe he target those things. I’m too lazy to look it up.

                                      It’s likely just new cases that popped up over the last 4 years. 2500 isn’t a lot spread out over 50 states and 4 years.

                                      The Brad

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                                        They all had to be federal, so lots of DEA involvement. The DEA doesn't go after little guys.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Who is paying for all these pardons?

                                          The president wouldn't be giving them away.

                                          Of course we pay for them eventually.

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