More Pardons Coming
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wrote on 3 Dec 2024, 13:30 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Mar 2024, 18:08
He will justify this move, should he make it, based on the claim that Trump will weaponize his Justice Department
Claim??? Trump has promised to do so, over and over and over. It was a theme of his campaign.
You think he initially chose Gaetz because he was seeking square-jaw McGraw?
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wrote on 3 Dec 2024, 18:06 last edited by
Could someone be arrested for perjury or something like that if it is associated with a crime that they are pardoned for?
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wrote on 3 Dec 2024, 18:07 last edited by
Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2024, 19:38 last edited by Jolly 12 Mar 2024, 19:40
Do the Dems really want to go down this road?
They were worried about Trump being Hitler. If so, this is handing Hitler carte blanche and yelling sic 'em!
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wrote on 3 Dec 2024, 20:11 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in More Pardons Coming:
Sure. That’s why blanket pardons are sometimes issued. Like for Hunter.
If I understand the pardon correctly, he is not immune from prosecution for anything that happened after December 1. If he perjures himself after that date, he can still be prosecuted.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2024, 20:32 last edited by
Sure
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Do the Dems really want to go down this road?
They were worried about Trump being Hitler. If so, this is handing Hitler carte blanche and yelling sic 'em!
wrote on 4 Dec 2024, 01:21 last edited by@Jolly said in More Pardons Coming:
Do the Dems really want to go down this road?
I think it is stupid and certainly hope not.
Hunter Biden should not have been pardoned. As his father, I can see it, but a president almost has to put country above family.
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wrote on 4 Dec 2024, 23:41 last edited by
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wrote on 5 Dec 2024, 01:29 last edited by
@George-K What is the saying: "That didn't age well". LOL
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 14:35 last edited by
National Review
Should We Ban Pardons Between Election Day and Inauguration Day?
A reader of the Wall Street Journal writes in to the paper, urging the country to adopt a constitutional amendment that would bar pardons and executive orders between Election Day and the inauguration.
I could see the argument that a complete ban on executive orders for more than two months would be too much of an impediment to the president performing his duties. For example, Joe Biden issued an executive order closing federal agencies on January 9 for a national day of mourning for former president Jimmy Carter. Biden signed some executive orders declaring orders of succession in the positions of National Cyber Director, Office of Management and Budget, and Departments of Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security and Agriculture. Not every last-minute action of Biden has been bad, or even all that consequential.
But a constitutional ban on pardons between Election Day and the inauguration sounds pretty appealing right now. (Biden is reportedly considering preemptive pardons to prominent critics of President-elect Trump, individuals who are not currently being either investigated or charged with crimes. This is akin to a get-out-of-jail free card from Monopoly.)
If a president wants to make a particularly controversial pardon, let him do so in a way ensuring either he, or his party’s successor, will face the consequences in the form of the voters’ judgment.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 15:10 last edited by
Makes sense.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 15:27 last edited by
@Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:29 last edited by
Not happening.
But...Can Biden's actions have political value in the midterms?
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:32 last edited by Mik
It very much can, but to maximize it Trump needs to stay above the fray as much as is possible, to be more presidential. I think we've seen more of that this time. I hope it continues. The media TDS machine is already revved up - he just needs to treat it like the noise in the background.
It's a lot to expect and I may be disappointed, but there's always hope.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:34 last edited by
@George-K said in More Pardons Coming:
@Mik it would require a constitutional amendment, and that's a heavy lift.
Understood. But it still makes sense .
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:44 last edited by
Seems pretty easy to have the pardons ready to be issued at 11:59pm on Election Day.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:44 last edited by
But agreed amendments are hard and this one would be no one’s priority
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:45 last edited by jon-nyc
Also seems pretty arbitrary and useless if the president wins reelection
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wrote on 17 Jan 2025, 12:03 last edited by
What I don’t get is how there were any left. Obama and Trump both pardoned non-violent drug offenders.
Plus it’s always been a small number. The reformers fantasy has always been you have all these nice guys in federal prison who’s only crime was they did inhale but it just wasn’t true.
Maybe earlier rounds excluded people dealing? And now this gets the dealers? I really don’t know.
