More vaccine drama

[Mik]

It really doesn't matter what he does or does not do. He'll be damned for it anyway. There are new stories going around now about how he called WWII dead suckers and war amputees losers. Anonymous attribution, as always.

[bachophile]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext

Lancet publishes Sputnik.

[Loki]

Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html

[Jolly]

@Loki said in More vaccine drama:

Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html

High risk, high reward.

[jon-nyc]

@Loki said in More vaccine drama:

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

Care to address it?

Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.

Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.

[jon-nyc]

Wow. Vaccine makers are preparing a joint statement telling Trump to eat a bag of dicks saying they won’t seek approval until safety standards are met.

Looks like they want to actually sell some of these.

[Copper]

I'm pretty sure that Mr. Trump wants everyone in the country to become autistic.

A crazy non-scientific vaccine would be just the right way for him to do it.

[Axtremus]

Russia publishes vaccine data:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-covid-vaccine.html

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

@Loki said in More vaccine drama:

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

Care to address it?

Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.

Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.

That's why we vote for the Senile Man?

[jon-nyc]

That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.

[LuFins Dad]

@Loki said in More vaccine drama:

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.

Ban people from being fatasses...
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

You are allotted 2000 calories per day. Those that exceed will be punished.

[Copper]

More deaths means more Social Security for me

[Loki]

@Copper said in More vaccine drama:

More deaths means more Social Security for me

It’s not working out that way. More people without jobs means less pay in and more downward adjustments to social security.

There is no winning the lockdown game except if your end game is Biden, the democrats and running their experiments on the utopia they envision for us.

[jon-nyc]

Who’s locked down anymore?

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

Who’s locked down anymore?

You think life approaches anything approximating normal? This obsession with Trump masks the real fallout from Covid that will severely impact a generation of work ready kids. Wait until they see what their prospects are.

[Copper]

Old people are voluntarily locked down.

They are terrified.

[jon-nyc]

You’re a certified old person, are you terrified?

[Copper]

No, my mother is. She is healthy at age 92, but is apprehensive about being around people. She hasn't been to church for months, usually she never misses. She will walk around the block with a mask on.

[jon-nyc]

@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

So, will Trump force a pre-election approval before the safety data are in?
And what if he does? We've already seen polling data about wariness towards the vaccine. How would this effect it?
In previous surveys, people on the left were more open to the vaccine than people on the right. Surely Trump overruling scientists who then resign would cause a rethink on the left. Would people on the right who are more skeptical become less so?
If you zoom out far enough, true vaccine efficacy - creating herd immunity - is really the product of two numbers: the technical efficacy of the vaccine and people's confidence in it - i.e. the percentage of people who are willing to take it.
How much damage is he willing to do to that confidence number for a pre-election 'victory'? Will he even take the time to understand the tradeoff?