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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

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    @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

    Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

    Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

    Care to address it?

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      And what if in 9 months time a bunch of kids are born with serious birth defects?

      That could never happen, right?

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      @Doctor-Phibes said in More vaccine drama:

      And what if in 9 months time a bunch of kids are born with serious birth defects?

      That could never happen, right?

      Test it on women who intend to have an abortion.

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        #31

        When I posted, I actually thought 'Now some bonehead's going to bring up abortion' 😆

        Not that you're a bonehead, of course.

        I was only joking

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

          Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

          Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

          Care to address it?

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          Loki
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          #32

          @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

          @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

          Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

          Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

          Care to address it?

          Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy. If a Covid is the existential threat to life that we have discussed for months we have a moral obligation to use extraordinary means to save those lives.

          On some level telling old people to wait for safety, you might die, seems really cold.

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
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            #33

            Yes, in that case which is the higher risk? Probably not the vaccine.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

              Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.

              If there were no election Trump would be perfectly happy to sell a January 1 vaccine as a personal victory.

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              @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

              @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

              Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.

              If there were no election Trump would be perfectly happy to sell a January 1 vaccine as a personal victory.

              Pure conjecture. You may be right, but still, pure conjecture.

              Right now, we have some therapies that seem to help ameliorate some of the symptons, but we have no truly effective therapy for all. If a vaccine, or vaccines look promising, roll it out on the 70+ crowd.

              Election be damned.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                It really doesn't matter what he does or does not do. He'll be damned for it anyway. There are new stories going around now about how he called WWII dead suckers and war amputees losers. Anonymous attribution, as always.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext

                  Lancet publishes Sputnik.

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                    Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.

                    Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.

                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html

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                      Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.

                      Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html

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                      @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

                      Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.

                      Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html

                      High risk, high reward.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • L Loki

                        @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                        @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                        Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

                        Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

                        Care to address it?

                        Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy. If a Covid is the existential threat to life that we have discussed for months we have a moral obligation to use extraordinary means to save those lives.

                        On some level telling old people to wait for safety, you might die, seems really cold.

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                        @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

                        @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                        @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                        Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

                        Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

                        Care to address it?

                        Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.

                        Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          #40

                          Wow. Vaccine makers are preparing a joint statement telling Trump to eat a bag of dicks saying they won’t seek approval until safety standards are met.

                          Looks like they want to actually sell some of these.

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                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            I'm pretty sure that Mr. Trump wants everyone in the country to become autistic.

                            A crazy non-scientific vaccine would be just the right way for him to do it.

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                              Russia publishes vaccine data:

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-covid-vaccine.html

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

                                @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

                                Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

                                Care to address it?

                                Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.

                                Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                #43

                                @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

                                @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.

                                Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.

                                Care to address it?

                                Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.

                                Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.

                                That's why we vote for the Senile Man?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                    That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

                                    The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                      That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

                                      The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.

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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #46

                                      @Loki said in More vaccine drama:

                                      @jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:

                                      That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.

                                      The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.

                                      Ban people from being fatasses...
                                      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

                                      You are allotted 2000 calories per day. Those that exceed will be punished.

                                      The Brad

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                                        More deaths means more Social Security for me

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          More deaths means more Social Security for me

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                                          Loki
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                                          @Copper said in More vaccine drama:

                                          More deaths means more Social Security for me

                                          It’s not working out that way. More people without jobs means less pay in and more downward adjustments to social security.

                                          There is no winning the lockdown game except if your end game is Biden, the democrats and running their experiments on the utopia they envision for us.

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