More vaccine drama
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@Doctor-Phibes said in More vaccine drama:
And what if in 9 months time a bunch of kids are born with serious birth defects?
That could never happen, right?
Test it on women who intend to have an abortion.
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When I posted, I actually thought 'Now some bonehead's going to bring up abortion'
Not that you're a bonehead, of course.
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy. If a Covid is the existential threat to life that we have discussed for months we have a moral obligation to use extraordinary means to save those lives.
On some level telling old people to wait for safety, you might die, seems really cold.
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.
If there were no election Trump would be perfectly happy to sell a January 1 vaccine as a personal victory.
Pure conjecture. You may be right, but still, pure conjecture.
Right now, we have some therapies that seem to help ameliorate some of the symptons, but we have no truly effective therapy for all. If a vaccine, or vaccines look promising, roll it out on the 70+ crowd.
Election be damned.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext
Lancet publishes Sputnik.
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Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html
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@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html
High risk, high reward.
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@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.
Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.
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Wow. Vaccine makers are preparing a joint statement
telling Trump to eat a bag of dickssaying they won’t seek approval until safety standards are met.Looks like they want to actually sell some of these.
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Russia publishes vaccine data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-covid-vaccine.html
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.
Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.
That's why we vote for the Senile Man?
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That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.
The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.
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@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.
The real question is what is the fastest we can move to prevent 1000 deaths a day.
Ban people from being fatasses...
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htmYou are allotted 2000 calories per day. Those that exceed will be punished.
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@Copper said in More vaccine drama:
More deaths means more Social Security for me
It’s not working out that way. More people without jobs means less pay in and more downward adjustments to social security.
There is no winning the lockdown game except if your end game is Biden, the democrats and running their experiments on the utopia they envision for us.
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Who’s locked down anymore?
