More vaccine drama
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Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.
This argument of delay for safety and letting another 200,000 die seems really suspect.
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Not as much I think when you are talking about vaccinating 330 million people in the US alone.
All that said I am more comfortable with the tried and true vaccine. Two of the candidates are new technology that to my knowledge has never been rolled out en masse.
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Doctor Phibesreplied to Loki on 4 Sept 2020, 15:06 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Apr 2020, 15:06
@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.
We already are.
Rushing things through because something is 'really, really important', is something I get asked to do quite a bit. It has a nasty habit of biting you on the ass. There is a reason for the protocols.
It seems like we've spent a great deal of time talking down the dangers of this virus, and now it's suddenly really, really critical that we start injecting people with unproven medication.
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@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.
If there were no election Trump would be perfectly happy to sell a January 1 vaccine as a personal victory.
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in More vaccine drama:
And what if in 9 months time a bunch of kids are born with serious birth defects?
That could never happen, right?
Test it on women who intend to have an abortion.
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When I posted, I actually thought 'Now some bonehead's going to bring up abortion'
Not that you're a bonehead, of course.
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy. If a Covid is the existential threat to life that we have discussed for months we have a moral obligation to use extraordinary means to save those lives.
On some level telling old people to wait for safety, you might die, seems really cold.
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Yes, in that case which is the higher risk? Probably not the vaccine.
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
Let’s put this another way. If there were no election we would be using extraordinary means to protect our population.
If there were no election Trump would be perfectly happy to sell a January 1 vaccine as a personal victory.
Pure conjecture. You may be right, but still, pure conjecture.
Right now, we have some therapies that seem to help ameliorate some of the symptons, but we have no truly effective therapy for all. If a vaccine, or vaccines look promising, roll it out on the 70+ crowd.
Election be damned.
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It really doesn't matter what he does or does not do. He'll be damned for it anyway. There are new stories going around now about how he called WWII dead suckers and war amputees losers. Anonymous attribution, as always.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext
Lancet publishes Sputnik.
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Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html
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@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
Russia is making great progress on the vaccine and administering to high risk folks as well as volunteers.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin leads the world on this.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-vaccine-immune-response-intl/index.html
High risk, high reward.
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@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.
Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.
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Wow. Vaccine makers are preparing a joint statement
telling Trump to eat a bag of dickssaying they won’t seek approval until safety standards are met.Looks like they want to actually sell some of these.
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I'm pretty sure that Mr. Trump wants everyone in the country to become autistic.
A crazy non-scientific vaccine would be just the right way for him to do it.
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Russia publishes vaccine data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-covid-vaccine.html
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@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@Loki said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
@jon-nyc said in More vaccine drama:
Loki you are sidestepping the obvious problem that will occur if he is seen overruling the scientists for some marginal political gain. That will destroy a great deal of confidence in the vaccine and set herd immunity and recovery back significantly.
Loki you have now twice sidestepped this point.
Care to address it?
Trust is a big problem for sure. I am less interested in political gain than I am on the economy.
Economic recovery requires decent take-up, IOW, more confidence not less. Trump overruling scientists in order to score some electoral points isn't going to help confidence.
That's why we vote for the Senile Man?
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That’s why we don’t subordinate the safety standards for the marginal electoral benefit of a political candidate, whether he be a stable genius or a senile old man.
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