The man who shot Ashley Babbit
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:12 last edited by Jolly
Ever hunt? Especially quail or duck hunt?
Target fixation can be a thing and any person who hunts those animals knows darn well you better know what's behind what you're shooting at and what's within your barrel arc.
Quail and pheasant hunters get shot every year. Duck is horrible, because when you screw up there, it's close range and usually lethal to your hunting partner.
So, even if I have to shoot somebody in the yard, I really don't want to shoot the innocent person behind him.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:15 last edited by
Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
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Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:36 last edited by@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
Lad, I know you're too damn lazy, but go back and read what I've written on the Babbitt shooting from the beginning. I'm pretty consistent.
It's a marginal shooting.
And unless you've looked down your sites and decided whether or not to shoot somebody, you're simply howling from an island of ignorance.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:53 last edited by
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
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You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:01 last edited by@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
Didn't go back and read, did you?
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@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
Lad, I know you're too damn lazy, but go back and read what I've written on the Babbitt shooting from the beginning. I'm pretty consistent.
It's a marginal shooting.
And unless you've looked down your sites and decided whether or not to shoot somebody, you're simply howling from an island of ignorance.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:07 last edited by@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
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@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:10 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:13 last edited by@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
Only after you have said a Hail Mary.
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:16 last edited by@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
I thought the character of the mob was elucidated slightly in the video of the Babbit shooting. One guy looked through the window and saw cops with guns, and immediately had a moment of clarity about what was going on. He tried to warn the rest of the crowd. I don't think Babbit heard him, and I don't think she saw the armed cops. But that doesn't change anything from the cops' perspectives.
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:17 last edited by@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
Probably.
You are a better person than I if you are thinking, "Oh, I will let this person kill me so that I do not injure a priest or nun who I dont know and have never met before".
I guess i put my self survival first over a person I dont know. Maybe the wrong attitude, but I am being honest.
If I feel that I am being threatened and there is video to back my my feelings, I doubt I would be arrested either.
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:21 last edited by Jolly
Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
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@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
Didn't go back and read, did you?
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:52 last edited by@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
Didn't go back and read, did you?
Scrolling up is too much work
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:58 last edited by
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?
At what point, if any, would you shoot?
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wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 18:11 last edited by
My team would wave a stick and shout 'YOU SHALL NOT PASS', and if things got really tricky 'GO BACK TO THE SHADOW!'
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@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?
At what point, if any, would you shoot?
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 19:20 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?
At what point, if any, would you shoot?
Imminent danger is the standard in most courts.
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?
At what point, if any, would you shoot?
Imminent danger is the standard in most courts.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 19:36 last edited by@Jolly Continue please
Would a group of people pounding on your house, and one person breaks your window and starts to climb in.
Would that meet your definition of imminent danger?
For me, it would.
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@Jolly Continue please
Would a group of people pounding on your house, and one person breaks your window and starts to climb in.
Would that meet your definition of imminent danger?
For me, it would.
wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 21:31 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly Continue please
Would a group of people pounding on your house, and one person breaks your window and starts to climb in.
Would that meet your definition of imminent danger?
For me, it would.
Yes, but your house is not the Capitol. The people banging on the window, may or may not wish to physically harm you. Mixed in with those people are colleagues, and your weapon will probably burt somebody besides who you are shooting at.
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly Continue please
Would a group of people pounding on your house, and one person breaks your window and starts to climb in.
Would that meet your definition of imminent danger?
For me, it would.
Yes, but your house is not the Capitol. The people banging on the window, may or may not wish to physically harm you. Mixed in with those people are colleagues, and your weapon will probably burt somebody besides who you are shooting at.
wrote on 26 Nov 2024, 15:29 last edited by@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
The people banging on the window, may or may not wish to physically harm you.
LOL Based on the video (people smashing windows, etc.) you think that the group was pretty friendly and if they actually broke through, they would have given hugs and kisses to the police on the other side? 555
I dont think that anybody on the other side of the window/door from the mob would have thought that the mob were there for friendly purposes and if they made it through, there was no danger at all. If I had to put a % on it, I would say that 95% I was in danger, 5% they were friendly and would have given me a hug.
I love you and your insights, but if you could take a step back, I think you could see that your TDS is showing.
As you said here:
You negate the threat. That means you shoot it until quits attacking. Sometimes that takes one shot. Sometimes it takes a lot more.
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/4539/choot-em/11?_=1732634389860
Was she a threat? IMO, yes. If you dont think so, that is okay too. It is possible for both of us to be correct.