The man who shot Ashley Babbit
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There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.
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There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.
As Robert Ruark said, all you have to do is bring enough gun.
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Again Jolly, let's pretend this is Feb 2025.
Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.
And the white house secret service opens fire after the multiple violent breaches (unknown weapons) against the first person to break through.
I 1,000,000,000% guarantee you would say the secret service was justified to open fire at that point to defend Trump in the white house.
Yes a billion percent.
@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Again Jolly, let's pretend this is Feb 2025.
Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.
And the white house secret service opens fire after the multiple violent breaches (unknown weapons) against the first person to break through.
I 1,000,000,000% guarantee you would say the secret service was justified to open fire at that point to defend Trump in the white house.
Yes a billion percent.
A. We're not imagining. We have the shooting on video.
B. Even in the sorry ass state they are currently in, Byrd couldn't have gotten close enough to a Secret Service detail to sniff their shoes.For instance...
A. Byrd had already had a suspicious discharge of his weapon while off-duty, at a fleeing suspect. Unless the perp was trying to kill Byrd with the car, that's a big no-no.
B. Capitol police were even denied some less than lethal means of dealing with the crowd. Lethal force is the very last tactic they could use...I've read elsewhere they had been told not to use lethal force, but this talks about even less than lethal force:https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/capitol-riot-report-reveals-police-were-told-to-hold-back/
C. Byrd left his duty weapon in a restroom and forgot it. In many departments, that's a firing offense.
D. Byrd couldn't pass shotgun qualification. Now, if we assume he's shooting the FBI qual on QIT, he's shooting slugs (15) at anywhere from 50 to 7 yards. There are only two shots at 50 yards and one of them is kneeling.
E. Who "fires into the air"? Ever?
F. As I've previously stated, how Byrd only hurt one person is simply a small miracle. A pass-through should have been a certainty.So...Here we have a history of somebody exhibiting excitability and a propensity to discharge.
Byrd ain't a philosophical hill I'd die on.
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I'll tell you what I can say about that crowd...
Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Voters were able to decouple him from the riot. And while the riot should never have happened (for multiple reasons), some of the issues which precipitated it have helped elect your next President.
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@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Around she fucked. Find out she did.
Yup.
Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.
Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.
I think the shooting was marginal, as to whether it's justified to shoot an unarmed person.
But I'm sorry, you're either supremely ignorant or fucking stupid when it comes to firearms. Byrd carried a Glock 22. Typical penetration of the 180g HP service round is 18+ inches. IOW, a hole going in and a bigger hole going out.
The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.
BTW, you DO KNOW capitol police had been ordered not to use lethal force, correct?
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door
Not just this. Imagine if there was a mob outside your house (or @Jolly house). How would either of you react?
I dont have any guns, so obviously I would not shoot, but imagine Jolly would shoot the person.
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Ever hunt? Especially quail or duck hunt?
Target fixation can be a thing and any person who hunts those animals knows darn well you better know what's behind what you're shooting at and what's within your barrel arc.
Quail and pheasant hunters get shot every year. Duck is horrible, because when you screw up there, it's close range and usually lethal to your hunting partner.
So, even if I have to shoot somebody in the yard, I really don't want to shoot the innocent person behind him.
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Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
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Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
Lad, I know you're too damn lazy, but go back and read what I've written on the Babbitt shooting from the beginning. I'm pretty consistent.
It's a marginal shooting.
And unless you've looked down your sites and decided whether or not to shoot somebody, you're simply howling from an island of ignorance.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
Didn't go back and read, did you?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.
Lad, I know you're too damn lazy, but go back and read what I've written on the Babbitt shooting from the beginning. I'm pretty consistent.
It's a marginal shooting.
And unless you've looked down your sites and decided whether or not to shoot somebody, you're simply howling from an island of ignorance.
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
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@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
Only after you have said a Hail Mary.
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
I thought the character of the mob was elucidated slightly in the video of the Babbit shooting. One guy looked through the window and saw cops with guns, and immediately had a moment of clarity about what was going on. He tried to warn the rest of the crowd. I don't think Babbit heard him, and I don't think she saw the armed cops. But that doesn't change anything from the cops' perspectives.
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@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?
50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.
Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.
Do you shoot?
Probably.
You are a better person than I if you are thinking, "Oh, I will let this person kill me so that I do not injure a priest or nun who I dont know and have never met before".
I guess i put my self survival first over a person I dont know. Maybe the wrong attitude, but I am being honest.
If I feel that I am being threatened and there is video to back my my feelings, I doubt I would be arrested either.
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Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
Didn't go back and read, did you?
@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.
Didn't go back and read, did you?
Scrolling up is too much work
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@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:
Never pick up a gun.
Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.
Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?
At what point, if any, would you shoot?
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My team would wave a stick and shout 'YOU SHALL NOT PASS', and if things got really tricky 'GO BACK TO THE SHADOW!'
