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  • D Doctor Phibes
    22 Nov 2024, 19:39

    There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 22 Nov 2024, 20:18 last edited by
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    @Doctor-Phibes said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

    There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.

    As Robert Ruark said, all you have to do is bring enough gun.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • 8 89th
      22 Nov 2024, 16:54

      Again Jolly, let's pretend this is Feb 2025.

      Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

      And the white house secret service opens fire after the multiple violent breaches (unknown weapons) against the first person to break through.

      I 1,000,000,000% guarantee you would say the secret service was justified to open fire at that point to defend Trump in the white house.

      Yes a billion percent.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 22 Nov 2024, 21:07 last edited by
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      @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

      Again Jolly, let's pretend this is Feb 2025.

      Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

      And the white house secret service opens fire after the multiple violent breaches (unknown weapons) against the first person to break through.

      I 1,000,000,000% guarantee you would say the secret service was justified to open fire at that point to defend Trump in the white house.

      Yes a billion percent.

      A. We're not imagining. We have the shooting on video.
      B. Even in the sorry ass state they are currently in, Byrd couldn't have gotten close enough to a Secret Service detail to sniff their shoes.

      For instance...

      A. Byrd had already had a suspicious discharge of his weapon while off-duty, at a fleeing suspect. Unless the perp was trying to kill Byrd with the car, that's a big no-no.
      B. Capitol police were even denied some less than lethal means of dealing with the crowd. Lethal force is the very last tactic they could use...I've read elsewhere they had been told not to use lethal force, but this talks about even less than lethal force:

      https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/capitol-riot-report-reveals-police-were-told-to-hold-back/

      C. Byrd left his duty weapon in a restroom and forgot it. In many departments, that's a firing offense.
      D. Byrd couldn't pass shotgun qualification. Now, if we assume he's shooting the FBI qual on QIT, he's shooting slugs (15) at anywhere from 50 to 7 yards. There are only two shots at 50 yards and one of them is kneeling.
      E. Who "fires into the air"? Ever?
      F. As I've previously stated, how Byrd only hurt one person is simply a small miracle. A pass-through should have been a certainty.

      So...Here we have a history of somebody exhibiting excitability and a propensity to discharge.

      Byrd ain't a philosophical hill I'd die on.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 22 Nov 2024, 21:41 last edited by
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        Neither is the behavior of that crowd.

        Although, to her credit, Ashley choose that hill to die on.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 22 Nov 2024, 21:54 last edited by
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          I'll tell you what I can say about that crowd...

          Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Voters were able to decouple him from the riot. And while the riot should never have happened (for multiple reasons), some of the issues which precipitated it have helped elect your next President.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • J Jolly
            22 Nov 2024, 15:18

            @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

            @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

            Around she fucked. Find out she did.

            Yup.

            Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

            Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.

            I think the shooting was marginal, as to whether it's justified to shoot an unarmed person.

            But I'm sorry, you're either supremely ignorant or fucking stupid when it comes to firearms. Byrd carried a Glock 22. Typical penetration of the 180g HP service round is 18+ inches. IOW, a hole going in and a bigger hole going out.

            The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.

            BTW, you DO KNOW capitol police had been ordered not to use lethal force, correct?

            https://us.glock.com/en/Pistols/G22

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 15:37 last edited by
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            @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

            Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door

            Not just this. Imagine if there was a mob outside your house (or @Jolly house). How would either of you react?

            I dont have any guns, so obviously I would not shoot, but imagine Jolly would shoot the person.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:12 last edited by Jolly
              #37

              Ever hunt? Especially quail or duck hunt?

              Target fixation can be a thing and any person who hunts those animals knows darn well you better know what's behind what you're shooting at and what's within your barrel arc.

              Quail and pheasant hunters get shot every year. Duck is horrible, because when you screw up there, it's close range and usually lethal to your hunting partner.

              So, even if I have to shoot somebody in the yard, I really don't want to shoot the innocent person behind him.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                89th
                wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:15 last edited by
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                Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.

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                • 8 89th
                  25 Nov 2024, 16:15

                  Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:36 last edited by
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                  @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                  Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.

                  Lad, I know you're too damn lazy, but go back and read what I've written on the Babbitt shooting from the beginning. I'm pretty consistent.

                  It's a marginal shooting.

                  And unless you've looked down your sites and decided whether or not to shoot somebody, you're simply howling from an island of ignorance.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    89th
                    wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 16:53 last edited by
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                    You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.

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                    • 8 89th
                      25 Nov 2024, 16:53

                      You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:01 last edited by
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                      @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                      You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.

                      Didn't go back and read, did you? 😄😄

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • J Jolly
                        25 Nov 2024, 16:36

                        @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                        Just like @Jolly won't answer the question on how he'd react had it been BLM and Obama (instead of MAGA and Trump) protesting an Obama loss... he won't answer the question about BLM invading the Trump white house and the first person to breach through the "last safeguard" point being shot by secret service. Regardless of the shooter's past record. It's an expected and warranted shooting.

                        Lad, I know you're too damn lazy, but go back and read what I've written on the Babbitt shooting from the beginning. I'm pretty consistent.

                        It's a marginal shooting.

                        And unless you've looked down your sites and decided whether or not to shoot somebody, you're simply howling from an island of ignorance.

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:07 last edited by
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                        @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                        50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

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                        • T taiwan_girl
                          25 Nov 2024, 17:07

                          @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                          50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:10 last edited by
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                          @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                          @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                          50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                          Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                          Do you shoot?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • J Jolly
                            25 Nov 2024, 17:10

                            @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                            @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                            50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                            Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                            Do you shoot?

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:13 last edited by
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                            @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                            @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                            @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                            50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                            Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                            Do you shoot?

                            Only after you have said a Hail Mary.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • J Jolly
                              25 Nov 2024, 17:10

                              @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                              @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                              50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                              Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                              Do you shoot?

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:16 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                              @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                              @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                              50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                              Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                              Do you shoot?

                              I thought the character of the mob was elucidated slightly in the video of the Babbit shooting. One guy looked through the window and saw cops with guns, and immediately had a moment of clarity about what was going on. He tried to warn the rest of the crowd. I don't think Babbit heard him, and I don't think she saw the armed cops. But that doesn't change anything from the cops' perspectives.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • J Jolly
                                25 Nov 2024, 17:10

                                @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                                50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                                Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                                Do you shoot?

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:17 last edited by
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                                @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                @Jolly What if it were someone attacking your house?

                                50 people at your front wall, someone breaks a window and tries to start crawling through the window.

                                Here's your problem...Mixed in with the person breaking into your house, is an equal number of priests and nuns in the crowd. Your weapon has at least 18 inches of penetration.

                                Do you shoot?

                                Probably.

                                You are a better person than I if you are thinking, "Oh, I will let this person kill me so that I do not injure a priest or nun who I dont know and have never met before".

                                I guess i put my self survival first over a person I dont know. Maybe the wrong attitude, but I am being honest.

                                If I feel that I am being threatened and there is video to back my my feelings, I doubt I would be arrested either.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:21 last edited by Jolly
                                  #47

                                  Never pick up a gun.

                                  Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    25 Nov 2024, 17:01

                                    @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                    You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.

                                    Didn't go back and read, did you? 😄😄

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:52 last edited by
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                                    @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                    @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                    You said bad shooting, then said marginal shooting, then said he was lucky he didn't shoot a fellow cop. Anyway... my point stands, as does about Jan 6, that your tune would be very different if the groups and persons involved switched sides.

                                    Didn't go back and read, did you? 😄😄

                                    Scrolling up is too much work

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      25 Nov 2024, 17:21

                                      Never pick up a gun.

                                      Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 17:58 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                      Never pick up a gun.

                                      Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.

                                      Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?

                                      At what point, if any, would you shoot?

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 18:11 last edited by
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                                        My team would wave a stick and shout 'YOU SHALL NOT PASS', and if things got really tricky 'GO BACK TO THE SHADOW!'

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • T taiwan_girl
                                          25 Nov 2024, 17:58

                                          @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                          Never pick up a gun.

                                          Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.

                                          Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?

                                          At what point, if any, would you shoot?

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 25 Nov 2024, 19:20 last edited by
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                                          @taiwan_girl said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                          @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                          Never pick up a gun.

                                          Heavy is the hand that pulls the trigger. Byrd had a light hand.

                                          Wise words, but what would you do if a group was trying to break into your house?

                                          At what point, if any, would you shoot?

                                          Imminent danger is the standard in most courts.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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