The man who shot Ashley Babbit

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

Seems like a non-answer.

I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd. Whether he knew there were other USCP behind Babbitt is open to speculation.

But there were.

And that, along with his rather profound history of questionable behavior. is why I call it reckless.

[jon-nyc]

It worked. It stopped them.

[89th]

Yup, stopped that breach. It worked.

And not a random crowd.

Watch the video... as the crowd is breaking through security glass with chairs and flag poles, security on the other side, people yelling "he has a gun!!".... but yes, let's breach through the barrier, what's the worse that can happen?

Link to video

[jon-nyc]

Just a random crowd, like you might see around an ice cream truck at the park on a hot day.

[89th]

@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.

He also shot when she was up above the others going through the breached window. Yes the bullet could've ricocheted, but in general the visual of "he shot into a random crowd" is not accurate.

Here's my very scientific visual of why it wasn't just a "shot into the crowd".

[Horace]

@George-K said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

@jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

Seems like a non-answer.

I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd. Whether he knew there were other USCP behind Babbitt is open to speculation.

But there were.

And that, along with his rather profound history of questionable behavior. is why I call it reckless.

We should keep in mind that the Capitol police had a culture of pathetic weakness, to the extent that most of them committed suicide after having been called upon to do their jobs. It is heart breaking, but they were the worst of us.

[89th]

@George-K said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd.

What?

If that is true, then I apologize. I figured he aimed at Babbit as she breached the top of the doorway. (I'm not being sarcastic)

[Horace]

@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

Yup, stopped that breach. It worked.

And not a random crowd.

Watch the video... as the crowd is breaking through security glass with chairs and flag poles, security on the other side, people yelling "he has a gun!!".... but yes, let's breach through the barrier, what's the worse that can happen?

Link to video

Seems like a fair shooting to me. The crowd was obviously willing to be violent, given how they were attacking the fortifications.

[Doctor Phibes]

I remain surprised that a lot more people didn't die on that day.

[Jolly]

On firearms knowledge and the use of lethal force, I'll take on any three of you.

Pick your team.

[89th]

Again Jolly, let's pretend this is Feb 2025.

Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

And the white house secret service opens fire after the multiple violent breaches (unknown weapons) against the first person to break through.

I 1,000,000,000% guarantee you would say the secret service was justified to open fire at that point to defend Trump in the white house.

Yes a billion percent.

[Horace]

@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

On firearms knowledge and the use of lethal force, I'll take on any three of you.

Pick your team.

I'm not attempting to claim any expertise except in my demonstrated expertise in not getting shot so far. If I was part of a mob violently breaking into a government building, and cops were standing behind the fortifications holding guns, I would think to myself that I might get shot here.

If you would like to argue about legal intricacies around fair use of lethal force, then at that point I think I know enough to know that the law is whatever a jury can be convinced to think in any given case, and for this case, good luck getting a jury to convict the officer.

[89th]

Also, of course you know firearms more than me.

But also being from the DC area, if I led a mob over just the outside of the white house fence, I would very much expect to get shot. Let alone a 2nd or 3rd door (perhaps last door before the President or Senator). Even on some long distance runs on the weekends if I were to run by the Capitol, I knew if I got too close to the doors (like 100 feet away), a cop would be over to warn me about it within 12 seconds. So to imagine how far Babbit got in her/mob attack into and within the Capitol.... for me, personally, it's not even a question that you'd be taken out eventually.

Nonetheless, the video speaks for itself IMO.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

On firearms knowledge and the use of lethal force, I'll take on any three of you.

Pick your team.

If it came with out Maga blinders, sure.

[Doctor Phibes]

Damn, I thought we were about to have a lethal force battle.

My team was going to be Dr. Hannibal Lecter, Gandalf and Darth Maul. I was going to hold their coats/cloaks.

[Renauda]

@Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

On firearms knowledge and the use of lethal force, I'll take on any three of you.

Pick your team.

Yes, we are all aware that you are your own huckleberry.

[Horace]

Jolly said he'd take on any three, but we're up to like five, which is against the rules.

[Doctor Phibes]

There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

There's no fucking way Jolly could take down Gandalf.

As Robert Ruark said, all you have to do is bring enough gun.

[Jolly]

@89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

Again Jolly, let's pretend this is Feb 2025.

Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

And the white house secret service opens fire after the multiple violent breaches (unknown weapons) against the first person to break through.

I 1,000,000,000% guarantee you would say the secret service was justified to open fire at that point to defend Trump in the white house.

Yes a billion percent.

A. We're not imagining. We have the shooting on video.
B. Even in the sorry ass state they are currently in, Byrd couldn't have gotten close enough to a Secret Service detail to sniff their shoes.

For instance...

A. Byrd had already had a suspicious discharge of his weapon while off-duty, at a fleeing suspect. Unless the perp was trying to kill Byrd with the car, that's a big no-no.
B. Capitol police were even denied some less than lethal means of dealing with the crowd. Lethal force is the very last tactic they could use...I've read elsewhere they had been told not to use lethal force, but this talks about even less than lethal force:

https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/capitol-riot-report-reveals-police-were-told-to-hold-back/

C. Byrd left his duty weapon in a restroom and forgot it. In many departments, that's a firing offense.
D. Byrd couldn't pass shotgun qualification. Now, if we assume he's shooting the FBI qual on QIT, he's shooting slugs (15) at anywhere from 50 to 7 yards. There are only two shots at 50 yards and one of them is kneeling.
E. Who "fires into the air"? Ever?
F. As I've previously stated, how Byrd only hurt one person is simply a small miracle. A pass-through should have been a certainty.

So...Here we have a history of somebody exhibiting excitability and a propensity to discharge.

Byrd ain't a philosophical hill I'd die on.