What a difference three years makes

[taiwan_girl]

@George-K Yep. Not dozens and dozens.

Maybe he was exaggerating for effect. Dont know.

[jon-nyc]

That list is far more than most kids get. Certainly the ones required by many school systems are a small subset of that.

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in What a difference three years makes:

@George-K Yep. Not dozens and dozens.

Maybe he was exaggerating for effect. Dont know.

He’s counting the boosters. If you follow the CDC recommendations, it’s 28 shots. And that’s not including the newest COVID recommendations.

[jon-nyc]

28 shots for babies? Mine certainly didn’t.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in What a difference three years makes:

28 shots for babies? Mine certainly didn’t.

Through 3 years… I think he was probably playing a little loose with the word babies…

[jon-nyc]

My son got nothing close to that. How about yours?

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in What a difference three years makes:

My son got nothing close to that. How about yours?

I’d challenge you to go back and check his records. I didn’t count, but I remember Finley regularly getting 3-4 different shots at his visits and I didn’t go to all of them. Same with Lucas…

[89th]

This is generally what I remember my kids getting. I think we even had a magnet on the fridge that was easier to read. I think in general my kids had about 10 or so vaccines. Sen Tuberville sounds a bit like an idiot....I know no one that died from the COVID vaccine, healthy or not.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in What a difference three years makes:

This is generally what I remember my kids getting. I think we even had a magnet on the fridge that was easier to read. I think in general my kids had about 10 or so vaccines. Sen Tuberville sounds a bit like an idiot....I know no one that died from the COVID vaccine, healthy or not.

Again, they are counting jabs, not individual types of vaccinations. So 4 DTaPs within the first 3 years, 2 HepB, 3 RV, 4Hib, 4 Pneumococcal, etc…

[jon-nyc]

So Tuberville is worried about just the polio deaths.

Imagine at today’s population levels.

Vaccine-Preventable Diseases and Deaths (Pre-Vaccine Era)
1. Measles:
• 400–500 deaths annually
• Over 48,000 hospitalizations and 1,000 cases of encephalitis (brain swelling) each year.
2. Polio:
• Caused thousands of deaths and left tens of thousands of children permanently paralyzed annually during major outbreaks in the 1940s and 1950s.
3. Diphtheria:
• 15,000 deaths annually, mostly in children, before the vaccine was introduced in the 1920s.
4. Pertussis (Whooping Cough):
• Up to 9,000 deaths annually before the vaccine became available in the 1940s.
5. Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib):
• 1,000 deaths annually before the vaccine’s introduction in the late 1980s, primarily from meningitis.
6. Rubella (German Measles):
• Caused congenital rubella syndrome in thousands of infants during outbreaks, leading to up to 20,000 deaths or severe birth defects annually before the vaccine in 1969.
7. Tetanus:
• Approximately 500 deaths annually, including neonatal tetanus.
8. Chickenpox (Varicella):
• Caused 100–150 deaths annually and over 10,000 hospitalizations before the vaccine was introduced in the 1990s.
9. Rotavirus:
• Caused 20–60 deaths annually and over 200,000 hospitalizations in children under 5 before the vaccine became available in the early 2000s.
10. Pneumococcal Disease:
• Caused 200 deaths annually among children under 5 from meningitis and bloodstream infections before the vaccine.

[Doctor Phibes]

The fact that infant mortality is at an all time low doesn’t slow these cretins down?

[jon-nyc]

Not when each and every one of us know someone murdered by the Covid vaccine.

[LuFins Dad]

Let’s play this game.

As far as what I have seen, the primary proposals Kennedy seems to be laying out with regards to vaccines are:

1. removing the legal protections given to vaccine manufacturers from liability claims.

2. A rigorous 3rd party independent study on the current crop of vaccinations to reevaluate efficacy, risk, and need.

So let’s say that they conduct the survey, and for the sake of having a discussion on a rainy and cold day, let’s say the study comes back and DOES show a link between vaccines and Autism… What then? Let’s say the numbers are 30 out of 1,000. Do you shut down the vaccines over that? What if the numbers are higher? Lower? What are the thresholds for what is an acceptable trade off?

[jon-nyc]

There are dozens of studies with n in the hundreds of thousands and meta studies with n in the millions.

Adding one to their number won’t hurt anything per se. It’s these guys continuing to sow doubt in the minds of tens of millions of Americans. Damage is already starting to be done. We can thank Trump for that for giving this clown oxygen.

The mere idea of the government saying ‘we need more studies to see if these are safe’ would, and already has, sown doubt.

[taiwan_girl]

I think that the FDA in the US is the strongest in the world, and there is the longest time before approval of something entering the market.

[Renauda]

@jon-nyc said in What a difference three years makes:

Not when each and every one of us know someone murdered by the Covid vaccine.

I know someone who had it and the booster at minimum four times (if I recall correctly) and each and every time, it induced at least a one hour nap in the living room lazy boy recliner within 45 minutes of the shot.

[jon-nyc]

@taiwan_girl said in What a difference three years makes:

I think that the FDA in the US is the strongest in the world, and there is the longest time before approval of something entering the market.

Ive seen more flexibility in the EMA (Europe's equivalent). Pretty much all gene editing therapies do first-in-human tests in Europe and/or Australia. Same with RNA editing, though they might do Canada too. Then they come to the US after they have some safety data.

[Renauda]

I don’t know but it seems that new pharmaceuticals receive approval first in the US, then here but only after a year or more of additional trials. It is a big issue here.

[jon-nyc]

Regardless of where the trials start the strategy is always about how to get approved in the US the fastest. That is key to the economics of any drug, since we subsidize the world in pharmaceutical products.

[jon-nyc]

We have a drug in clinical trials that has approval for an achievable clinical trial end point in EMA but not yet with FDA.

While I know they ultimately need to get FDA approval to be financially successful, I asked them if there was a conceivable path where they got the easier EMA approval then applied for FDA approval based on ‘real world evidence’ (RWE) from a couple of years of usage in Europe. They took a look but in the end they told me the numbers didn’t work.