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Could Anything Have Been Done Different?

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #17

      "Bitter-clingers" to "Deplorable" to "Garbage." might have been a poor way to endear yourself with the electorate.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

        From the Democrat side that is.

        You're kidding, right?

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        @Aqua-Letifer said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

        @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

        From the Democrat side that is.

        You're kidding, right?

        Not sure what you mean? (But I was not kidding)

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        • MikM Mik

          A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

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          @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

          A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

          I don’t think 25 year old black and Hispanic men voted Trump over unrealized capital gains.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

            A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

            I don’t think 25 year old black and Hispanic men voted Trump over unrealized capital gains.

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            #20

            @LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

            @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

            A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

            I don’t think 25 year old black and Hispanic men voted Trump over unrealized capital gains.

            Tell you what did move the needle...One of Trump's most effective ads addressed the transgender issue, especially with guys on girl's teams and taxpayer funded transitions. It moved the needle 3% or more on every group it was tested on.

            The ad:

            Link to video

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #21

              I think the tag line of Kamala being for they/them, Trump is there for you…

              The Brad

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              • MikM Offline
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                #22

                The focus on everyone having to cater to a tiny and arguably delusional minority did not sit well with voters.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.

                  Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.

                  $7 butter.

                  alt text

                  All of the new job growth going to migrant labor
                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/job-gains-are-going-to-immigrants-and-keeping-young-us-born-men-out-of-the-workforce/ar-BB1ieibI

                  Being told this was normal:
                  alt text

                  While arresting parents and calling parents at school board meetings terrorists.
                  https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3aeb27a24b457570ef79af3241c7100a

                  An administration that wouldn't firmly and fully embrace their only ally in the Middle East, tacitly took on an antisemitic stance and quietly emboldened terror organizations, while losing the support of one of their staunchest voting blocks/donors, etc... And they still pissed off the Muslim community.

                  What could have gone differently? Absolutely nothing as the Democrat party has finally and completely gone over the cliff into insanity. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and can no longer apply reason and thought to the issues concerning this nation and instead focus on the "feels" and emotions.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.

                    Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.

                    $7 butter.

                    alt text

                    All of the new job growth going to migrant labor
                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/job-gains-are-going-to-immigrants-and-keeping-young-us-born-men-out-of-the-workforce/ar-BB1ieibI

                    Being told this was normal:
                    alt text

                    While arresting parents and calling parents at school board meetings terrorists.
                    https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3aeb27a24b457570ef79af3241c7100a

                    An administration that wouldn't firmly and fully embrace their only ally in the Middle East, tacitly took on an antisemitic stance and quietly emboldened terror organizations, while losing the support of one of their staunchest voting blocks/donors, etc... And they still pissed off the Muslim community.

                    What could have gone differently? Absolutely nothing as the Democrat party has finally and completely gone over the cliff into insanity. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and can no longer apply reason and thought to the issues concerning this nation and instead focus on the "feels" and emotions.

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                    So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.

                    Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.

                    $7 butter.

                    They could have crafted a narrative of doing something different from the current administration. They chose "more of same" messaging instead. I don't buy any notion that this election was a done deal months ago.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Link to video

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                        Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....

                        Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

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                          Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....

                          Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL

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                          George K
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                          @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                          Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..

                          With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.

                          A bit of a longer timeframe:

                          https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

                          Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year

                          Screenshot 2024-11-10 at 7.09.19 AM.png

                          More here:

                          https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                            Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..

                            With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.

                            A bit of a longer timeframe:

                            https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

                            Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year

                            Screenshot 2024-11-10 at 7.09.19 AM.png

                            More here:

                            https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

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                            taiwan_girl
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                            @George-K I dont disagree. But, based on what he campaigns, he basically said he shut down the border.

                            The reality is that (and I did not do the math) it appears that President Obama average rate of illegals from 2013-2016 was lower than the average illegals under President Trump from 2017-2020

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                              Depression.

                              People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Depression.

                                People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

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                                @Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

                                The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                  People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

                                  The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.

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                                  @Axtremus said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                  @Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                  People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

                                  The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.

                                  I guess you're one of those people out to prove two plus two does not equal four.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Depression.

                                    People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

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                                    @Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                    Depression.

                                    People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.

                                    GDP
                                    2013. 2.12
                                    2014. 2.52
                                    2015. 2.95
                                    2016. 1.82. (AVG = 2.20). Obama 2nd term
                                    2017. 2.46
                                    2018. 2.97
                                    2019. 2.47
                                    2020. -2.21. (AVG = 1.42). Trump term

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                                      Okay, you're right and 72M Americans are wrong.

                                      Next...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?

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                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                          Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                          Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?

                                          I agree that total observed border crossings were somewhat higher, yes. But those stats are observed. The number of border patrol agents were higher and the number of possible entry points were lower..

                                          The Brad

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