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Could Anything Have Been Done Different?

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    From the Democrat side that is.

    Was VP Harris just such a bad candidate that the Democrats was doomed from the start?

    (I think that everyone here pretty much thought she was a bad candidate from the beginning. Pats ourselves on the back)

    What campaign changes could have been done? (Other than not having her as candidate)

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    @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

    From the Democrat side that is.

    You're kidding, right?

    Please love yourself.

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      Frankly, it’s kind of bothersome that the win wasn’t bigger

      The Brad

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        counties shifting red or blue as compared to 2020:

        image.png

        Education is extremely important.

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          Biden the day after midterm elections could have announced it’s time to hand the reins over to a new generation. Maybe, just maybe, a proper primary would have produced a better candidate.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • MikM Offline
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            At least an elected, not appointed, one.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Biden the day after midterm elections could have announced it’s time to hand the reins over to a new generation. Maybe, just maybe, a proper primary would have produced a better candidate.

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              @jon-nyc said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

              Biden the day after midterm elections could have announced it’s time to hand the reins over to a new generation. Maybe, just maybe, a proper primary would have produced a better candidate.

              That’s assuming there was actually a better candidate available. A non-heavy liberal does not make it out of an honest and open democrat primary. The DNC had to intervene in 2016, 2020, and 2024 would have been no different. Remember that Harris was the olive branch given to Warren and all of the other more radical branch of the party to keep Bernie from getting the nomination.

              The Brad

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              • MikM Mik

                At least an elected, not appointed, one.

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                @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                At least an elected, not appointed, one.

                Right… Just like the freely selected and non manipulated primaries of 2016 and 2020 … Wink…

                The Brad

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                  A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    "Bitter-clingers" to "Deplorable" to "Garbage." might have been a poor way to endear yourself with the electorate.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                      From the Democrat side that is.

                      You're kidding, right?

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                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                      @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                      From the Democrat side that is.

                      You're kidding, right?

                      Not sure what you mean? (But I was not kidding)

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                      • MikM Mik

                        A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

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                        @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                        A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

                        I don’t think 25 year old black and Hispanic men voted Trump over unrealized capital gains.

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                          A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

                          I don’t think 25 year old black and Hispanic men voted Trump over unrealized capital gains.

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                          @LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                          @Mik said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                          A good start would have been not sending up trial balloons for taxing unrealized capital gains.

                          I don’t think 25 year old black and Hispanic men voted Trump over unrealized capital gains.

                          Tell you what did move the needle...One of Trump's most effective ads addressed the transgender issue, especially with guys on girl's teams and taxpayer funded transitions. It moved the needle 3% or more on every group it was tested on.

                          The ad:

                          Link to video

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            I think the tag line of Kamala being for they/them, Trump is there for you…

                            The Brad

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                              The focus on everyone having to cater to a tiny and arguably delusional minority did not sit well with voters.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.

                                Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.

                                $7 butter.

                                alt text

                                All of the new job growth going to migrant labor
                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/job-gains-are-going-to-immigrants-and-keeping-young-us-born-men-out-of-the-workforce/ar-BB1ieibI

                                Being told this was normal:
                                alt text

                                While arresting parents and calling parents at school board meetings terrorists.
                                https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3aeb27a24b457570ef79af3241c7100a

                                An administration that wouldn't firmly and fully embrace their only ally in the Middle East, tacitly took on an antisemitic stance and quietly emboldened terror organizations, while losing the support of one of their staunchest voting blocks/donors, etc... And they still pissed off the Muslim community.

                                What could have gone differently? Absolutely nothing as the Democrat party has finally and completely gone over the cliff into insanity. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and can no longer apply reason and thought to the issues concerning this nation and instead focus on the "feels" and emotions.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.

                                  Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.

                                  $7 butter.

                                  alt text

                                  All of the new job growth going to migrant labor
                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/job-gains-are-going-to-immigrants-and-keeping-young-us-born-men-out-of-the-workforce/ar-BB1ieibI

                                  Being told this was normal:
                                  alt text

                                  While arresting parents and calling parents at school board meetings terrorists.
                                  https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3aeb27a24b457570ef79af3241c7100a

                                  An administration that wouldn't firmly and fully embrace their only ally in the Middle East, tacitly took on an antisemitic stance and quietly emboldened terror organizations, while losing the support of one of their staunchest voting blocks/donors, etc... And they still pissed off the Muslim community.

                                  What could have gone differently? Absolutely nothing as the Democrat party has finally and completely gone over the cliff into insanity. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and can no longer apply reason and thought to the issues concerning this nation and instead focus on the "feels" and emotions.

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                  So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.

                                  Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.

                                  $7 butter.

                                  They could have crafted a narrative of doing something different from the current administration. They chose "more of same" messaging instead. I don't buy any notion that this election was a done deal months ago.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Link to video

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                                      Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....

                                      Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        alt text

                                        Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....

                                        Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                        Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..

                                        With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.

                                        A bit of a longer timeframe:

                                        https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

                                        Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year

                                        Screenshot 2024-11-10 at 7.09.19 AM.png

                                        More here:

                                        https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:

                                          Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..

                                          With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.

                                          A bit of a longer timeframe:

                                          https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

                                          Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year

                                          Screenshot 2024-11-10 at 7.09.19 AM.png

                                          More here:

                                          https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

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                                          @George-K I dont disagree. But, based on what he campaigns, he basically said he shut down the border.

                                          The reality is that (and I did not do the math) it appears that President Obama average rate of illegals from 2013-2016 was lower than the average illegals under President Trump from 2017-2020

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