Dewey wrote a book!
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Dewey is a nice guy.
Who gives a flying fuck weither he is gay? It's 2024. Judge people by their character, not by their sexual preferences.
God cares.
God cares who stands behind the church pulpit and preaches His Word. While all are welcome in the church - for we are all sinners, saved only by Grace - not all are welcome to lead his flock.
It doesn't matter if it's 1024, 2024 or 3024. God remains the same. His expectations remain the same.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
What is considered acceptable has definitely changed over the years.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
What is considered acceptable has definitely changed over the years.
Over time we do see a dance and the friction as we see changing cultures, eroding morals, and civilizing values. Humanity prioritizes speed and pleasure. Sometimes that is ok, sometimes it's at the expense of tradition or religion. I guess it is natural and inevitable, we saw it even in the Old Testament.
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I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
That's true. But he was a preacher. And people seem more willing to overlook his rampant anti-semitism as a product of the age he lived in than they currently are for the "sin" of homosexuality, which is primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
God cares.
Well, you care. But fortunately the number of people who think that way shrinks rapidly and is dying out, probably way before 3024.
@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
God cares.
Well, you care. But fortunately the number of people who think that way shrinks rapidly and is dying out, probably way before 3024.
Hopefully, we won't see 3024, but you never know.
Deuteronomy 4:2. 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I am commanding you.
Revelation 22:18-19 18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
Both of those are from the NASB version. OT and NT, the message remains the same. You're welcome to wander out into the street and yell at the sky, but God doesn't change for man.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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His natural feeling to be attracted to fellow men can be respected as much as my natural feeling to be grossed out by such a sight or concept.
BTW I knew 20 years ago that I'd eventually be in the awkward minority on this...and watched as positions on gay marriage (etc) have changed based on the popular wind (see what Biden, Obama, Clinton, and others said about it in the 90s... has anything changed other than what has become popular/trendy?)
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
His natural feeling to be attracted to fellow men can be respected as much as my natural feeling to be grossed out by such a sight or concept.
The flaw there is your view is no longer respected. Tolerance is only for those who hold the right views.
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
That's true. But he was a preacher. And people seem more willing to overlook his rampant anti-semitism as a product of the age he lived in than they currently are for the "sin" of homosexuality, which is primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
That's true. But he was a preacher. And people seem more willing to overlook his rampant anti-semitism as a product of the age he lived in than they currently are for the "sin" of homosexuality, which is primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago.
TBH, I'm not a Martin Luther scholar. In the time of Luther, Jews were still viewed as Christ killers, which is both true and wrong.
But something stood out in your statement, primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago. It's not what people said about it, it's what God said about it.
Alpha and Omega. The same through eternity. He does not change.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
That's true. But he was a preacher. And people seem more willing to overlook his rampant anti-semitism as a product of the age he lived in than they currently are for the "sin" of homosexuality, which is primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago.
TBH, I'm not a Martin Luther scholar. In the time of Luther, Jews were still viewed as Christ killers, which is both true and wrong.
But something stood out in your statement, primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago. It's not what people said about it, it's what God said about it.
Alpha and Omega. The same through eternity. He does not change.
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
It's not what people said about it, it's what God said about it.
Well, that's kind of open to some debate.
Alpha and Omega. The same through eternity. He does not change.
I hate to bring this up yet again, but do you enjoy pork ribs and lobster?
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
God cares.
Well, you care. But fortunately the number of people who think that way shrinks rapidly and is dying out, probably way before 3024.
Hopefully, we won't see 3024, but you never know.
Deuteronomy 4:2. 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I am commanding you.
Revelation 22:18-19 18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
Both of those are from the NASB version. OT and NT, the message remains the same. You're welcome to wander out into the street and yell at the sky, but God doesn't change for man.
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Both of those are from the NASB version. OT and NT, the message remains the same. You're welcome to wander out into the street and yell at the sky, but God doesn't change for man.
Then surely you also think that people who are lame or have a broken hand or are blind or have various other forms of mild impairments cannot be priests, as demanded by Leviticus 21:18-21?
The bible is a man-made text, and it contains various passages that are so ridiculous that every sane person, including the major Christian denominations, pretends that they don't exist.
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Dewey is a nice guy.
Who gives a flying fuck weither he is gay? It's 2024. Judge people by their character, not by their sexual preferences.
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There are worse life goals. Such as: Saying as many mean things about other people I barely know as possible.
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Those of us who are perfect would have nothing but disdain for the rest of you, if of course having disdain were not in itself an imperfection.
And please, show me a preacher who lives a blameless life. I'd love to meet the guy.
The word 'apostate' is interesting. Whenever I see it, I immediately think of those guys shrieking in the Middle East.
I was only joking
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Those of us who are perfect would have nothing but disdain for the rest of you, if of course having disdain were not in itself an imperfection.
And please, show me a preacher who lives a blameless life. I'd love to meet the guy.
The word 'apostate' is interesting. Whenever I see it, I immediately think of those guys shrieking in the Middle East.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Those of us who are perfect would have nothing but disdain for the rest of you, if of course having disdain were not in itself an imperfection.
And please, show me a preacher who lives a blameless life. I'd love to meet the guy.
It's probably long lost to history and disintegrated from everybody's memory, but Dewey was actually chosen by God, in a Calvinistic sense. That is what he believed, and I'm sure what he continues to believe. A cynic might wonder whether certain expressions of narcissism can give rise to such self-conceptions, but only a cynic. The rest of you can believe he is a super nice guy, chosen by God. (You're not, btw. I mean, unless you believe you were. But be warned that those chosen by God are also burdened with the awareness that others, who think they were chosen by God, are actually wrong.)
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Those of us who are perfect would have nothing but disdain for the rest of you, if of course having disdain were not in itself an imperfection.
And please, show me a preacher who lives a blameless life. I'd love to meet the guy.
It's probably long lost to history and disintegrated from everybody's memory, but Dewey was actually chosen by God, in a Calvinistic sense. That is what he believed, and I'm sure what he continues to believe. A cynic might wonder whether certain expressions of narcissism can give rise to such self-conceptions, but only a cynic. The rest of you can believe he is a super nice guy, chosen by God. (You're not, btw. I mean, unless you believe you were. But be warned that those chosen by God are also burdened with the awareness that others, who think they were chosen by God, are actually wrong.)
@Horace said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Those of us who are perfect would have nothing but disdain for the rest of you, if of course having disdain were not in itself an imperfection.
And please, show me a preacher who lives a blameless life. I'd love to meet the guy.
It's probably long lost to history and disintegrated from everybody's memory, but Dewey was actually chosen by God, in a Calvinistic sense. That is what he believed, and I'm sure what he continues to believe. A cynic might wonder whether certain expressions of narcissism can give rise to such self-conceptions, but only a cynic. The rest of you can believe he is a super nice guy, chosen by God. (You're not, btw. I mean, unless you believe you were. But be warned that those chosen by God are also burdened with the awareness that others, who think they were chosen by God, are actually wrong.)
Don't almost all people who are professional clergy believe they were chosen by God? By that measure, the entire profession is filled with narcissism. Now, if I said that there'd be accusations of me hating religion, which I don't, from the usual quarters.
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@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I remember Dewey's last performance here.
Despicable.
Care to summarize? I was mostly absent from about 2012 through 2020...
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I remember Dewey's last performance here.
Despicable.
Care to summarize? I was mostly absent from about 2012 through 2020...
When Larry died, Dewey wrote a long post here trashing Larry and his memory.
It was evil.
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@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I remember Dewey's last performance here.
Despicable.
Care to summarize? I was mostly absent from about 2012 through 2020...
When Larry died, Dewey wrote a long post here trashing Larry and his memory.
It was evil.
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I remember Dewey's last performance here.
Despicable.
Care to summarize? I was mostly absent from about 2012 through 2020...
When Larry died, Dewey wrote a long post here trashing Larry and his memory.
It was evil.
Dewey didn't post it here, somebody re-posted it. He wrote about it on Facebook, and maybe elsewhere.
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@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I remember Dewey's last performance here.
Despicable.
Care to summarize? I was mostly absent from about 2012 through 2020...
When Larry died, Dewey wrote a long post here trashing Larry and his memory.
It was evil.
Dewey didn't post it here, somebody re-posted it. He wrote about it on Facebook, and maybe elsewhere.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Copper said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I remember Dewey's last performance here.
Despicable.
Care to summarize? I was mostly absent from about 2012 through 2020...
When Larry died, Dewey wrote a long post here trashing Larry and his memory.
It was evil.
Dewey didn't post it here, somebody re-posted it. He wrote about it on Facebook, and maybe elsewhere.
That makes it better?
Please love yourself.
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Oh it was this one: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/170374
I somewhat reserve judgement on this (the nastiness of posting something after someone has died NOTwithstanding) as I wasn't around for most of the alleged abuse, stalking, etc... maybe there's more sticks and stones than words there, but if it was all contained to an online forum, then just don't engage with a troll if you see someone as such. I recall early in my TNCR days (2005-2011) having some epic months-long battles with Larry. He sure was stubborn and I both enjoyed "the game" debating him but also knew if it bothered me, ultimately it's just pixels and 1s and 0s behind it... just noise IF you want to accept it as such. It helps keep me sane. Not you @Horace you're real to me.
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I just found Dewey’s incessant proselytising more than just a little bit annoying. Did nothing but reinforce my long held disdain for any and all organised religion.
Dewey’s disparaging eulogy following Larry’s passing, while not surprising, was an example of vindictive bad form.
Good for him however that he published a mystery novel. Unlikely though that I would want ever to read it.
