Dewey wrote a book!
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If only he'd spent less time helping Honduran orphans and more time being perfect.
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He sure has done lots of spectacular look-at-me-being-virtuous things in his life. Continues to do so, as he devotes his life to breaking down doors of hatred and bigotry - forces he now has first hand experience with, in his lived experience as an oppressed minority.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
If only he'd spent less time helping Honduran orphans and more time being perfect.
You don't have to be perfect, but this is what you need to be:
1 Timothy:1-7 (NASB)
1 It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of [a]overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 [b]An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine [c]or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation [d]incurred by the devil. 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
ἐπισκοπή That’s the greek for what the NASB translates as overseer. Here's what Strong has to say:
From episkeptomai; inspection (for relief); by implication, superintendence; specially, the Christian "episcopate" -- the office of a "bishop", bishoprick, visitation.
The KJV translates the word as "bishop".
Regardless, it is Paul's instructions for pastors.
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Who died and put Paul in charge?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Who died and put Paul in charge?
Do you really want to go there?
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Who died and put Paul in charge?
Do you really want to go there?
Just as Dewey is a reformed conservative, Paul was a reformed judicial killer, and yet suddenly he got to tell all the people he’d been brutalizing how they needed to behave to really be good.
Even as a child, when we were told the story of Saul and Paul, I used to think I didn’t really like the guy very much.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Who died and put Paul in charge?
Do you really want to go there?
Just as Dewey is a reformed conservative, Paul was a reformed judicial killer, and yet suddenly he got to tell all the people he’d been brutalizing how they needed to behave to really be good.
Even as a child, when we were told the story of Saul and Paul, I used to think I didn’t really like the guy very much.
I'm having trouble equating Paul's encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, with Dewey leaving his wife and child to become a homosexual pastor.
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His natural feeling to be attracted to fellow men can be respected as much as my natural feeling to be grossed out by such a sight or concept.
BTW I knew 20 years ago that I'd eventually be in the awkward minority on this...and watched as positions on gay marriage (etc) have changed based on the popular wind (see what Biden, Obama, Clinton, and others said about it in the 90s... has anything changed other than what has become popular/trendy?)
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Dewey is a nice guy.
Who gives a flying fuck weither he is gay? It's 2024. Judge people by their character, not by their sexual preferences.
God cares.
God cares who stands behind the church pulpit and preaches His Word. While all are welcome in the church - for we are all sinners, saved only by Grace - not all are welcome to lead his flock.
It doesn't matter if it's 1024, 2024 or 3024. God remains the same. His expectations remain the same.
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Dewey is a nice guy.
Who gives a flying fuck weither he is gay? It's 2024. Judge people by their character, not by their sexual preferences.
God cares.
God cares who stands behind the church pulpit and preaches His Word. While all are welcome in the church - for we are all sinners, saved only by Grace - not all are welcome to lead his flock.
It doesn't matter if it's 1024, 2024 or 3024. God remains the same. His expectations remain the same.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
What is considered acceptable has definitely changed over the years.
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I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
What is considered acceptable has definitely changed over the years.
Over time we do see a dance and the friction as we see changing cultures, eroding morals, and civilizing values. Humanity prioritizes speed and pleasure. Sometimes that is ok, sometimes it's at the expense of tradition or religion. I guess it is natural and inevitable, we saw it even in the Old Testament.
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
That's true. But he was a preacher. And people seem more willing to overlook his rampant anti-semitism as a product of the age he lived in than they currently are for the "sin" of homosexuality, which is primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago.
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
God cares.
Well, you care. But fortunately the number of people who think that way shrinks rapidly and is dying out, probably way before 3024.
Hopefully, we won't see 3024, but you never know.
Deuteronomy 4:2. 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I am commanding you.
Revelation 22:18-19 18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
Both of those are from the NASB version. OT and NT, the message remains the same. You're welcome to wander out into the street and yell at the sky, but God doesn't change for man.
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@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
His natural feeling to be attracted to fellow men can be respected as much as my natural feeling to be grossed out by such a sight or concept.
The flaw there is your view is no longer respected. Tolerance is only for those who hold the right views.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, said some really unspeakable things, at least to modern ears, but people follow many of his teachings with no problem at all.
I'd humbly suggest that Martin Luther is not God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or even Paul.
That's true. But he was a preacher. And people seem more willing to overlook his rampant anti-semitism as a product of the age he lived in than they currently are for the "sin" of homosexuality, which is primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago.
TBH, I'm not a Martin Luther scholar. In the time of Luther, Jews were still viewed as Christ killers, which is both true and wrong.
But something stood out in your statement, primarily a sin because of what people said about it 2000 and more years ago. It's not what people said about it, it's what God said about it.
Alpha and Omega. The same through eternity. He does not change.