Walz Vance debate
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In the 1968 Chicago riots, 11 people were killed, 48 others were wounded by police, over 2000 arrests were made in two days, 90 cops were injured, 36 major fires in four hours and parts of the city were leveled.
It took over 10,000 cops, 6700 National Guardsmen and the fucking 1st Armored Division to restore order.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
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Ya'll, this is debate 101... find a negative fact and make the opponent fact-check you into admitting the negative fact.
Negative fact here? Trump incited a riot to try and overturn his election (landslide) loss, resulting in 100+ cops getting injured and multiple deaths. You can debate if it's 140 or 100 or 80, or if it's 10 deaths, or 1. The point has been made.
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@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
Ya'll, this is debate 101... find a negative fact and make the opponent fact-check you into admitting the negative fact.
Negative fact here? Trump incited a riot to try and overturn his election (landslide) loss, resulting in 100+ cops getting injured and multiple deaths. You can debate if it's 140 or 100 or 80, or if it's 10 deaths, or 1. The point has been made.
Well at this point you're just lying.
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@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
Listen for politicians of all stripes to begin their sentences with “look”, downward inflected. It’s the mark of folksy honesty forthcoming and it is peppered throughout almost every trained politicians speeches.
I remember Gingrich’s was ‘frankly’. Sometimes he’d so overuse it that I was expecting him to ‘frankly’ tell me he had eggs for breakfast.
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@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
Ya'll, this is debate 101... find a negative fact and make the opponent fact-check you into admitting the negative fact.
Negative fact here? Trump incited a riot to try and overturn his election (landslide) loss, resulting in 100+ cops getting injured and multiple deaths. You can debate if it's 140 or 100 or 80, or if it's 10 deaths, or 1. The point has been made.
Well at this point you're just lying.
Where? I can be a knucklehead at times
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@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
Ya'll, this is debate 101... find a negative fact and make the opponent fact-check you into admitting the negative fact.
Negative fact here? Trump incited a riot to try and overturn his election (landslide) loss, resulting in 100+ cops getting injured and multiple deaths. You can debate if it's 140 or 100 or 80, or if it's 10 deaths, or 1. The point has been made.
Well at this point you're just lying.
Where? I can be a knucklehead at times
The only factual death is Babbit. All other deaths are connected to the riots with some hand waved wish casting. The rest of the description you present as fact is just a non provable rhetorical framing.
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@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
Ya'll, this is debate 101... find a negative fact and make the opponent fact-check you into admitting the negative fact.
Negative fact here? Trump incited a riot to try and overturn his election (landslide) loss, resulting in 100+ cops getting injured and multiple deaths. You can debate if it's 140 or 100 or 80, or if it's 10 deaths, or 1. The point has been made.
Well at this point you're just lying.
Where? I can be a knucklehead at times
Horace can take the death point, I'll take the "protest pecefully" point.
At what point does "protest peacefully", become inciting a riot? The vast majority of people in Washington that day didn't riot. Only a relatively small number did.
Now, going from fact to conjecture, how many of those rioting were A) government informants, or B) government (FBI) employees helping to incite a riot for political purposes?
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277 police officers were injured defending the Federal Courthouse in Portland during the George Floyd riots. Over 900 policemen and women were injured around the country. Your statement that it was the single largest assault on police is categorically wrong.
Further, no police died from January 6th. One died from suicide, wrought by depression. An actual physical ailment. Another died of cardiovascular disease.
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@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
High status progressive white women and their fierce, unflinching defense of the right side of history. They were morally compelled to do what they did, and they will never make any apologies for it.
Well, dammit! Now we know. It's because Vance was mansplaining!
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Could be thyroid disease as well.
But...
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
@Horace said in Walz Vance debate:
@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
Ya'll, this is debate 101... find a negative fact and make the opponent fact-check you into admitting the negative fact.
Negative fact here? Trump incited a riot to try and overturn his election (landslide) loss, resulting in 100+ cops getting injured and multiple deaths. You can debate if it's 140 or 100 or 80, or if it's 10 deaths, or 1. The point has been made.
Well at this point you're just lying.
Where? I can be a knucklehead at times
The only factual death is Babbit. All other deaths are connected to the riots with some hand waved wish casting. The rest of the description you present as fact is just a non provable rhetorical framing.
Wish casting? For deaths? You had what, 3 or 4 cops die within a couple days of the riot from health or suicide reasons? You had a couple protestors die of heart attack during the riot. You think there is NO correlation? You think these 5-6 folks would've literally died without the Jan 6 event? That is the true question. I think their deaths very, very, very, very, very likely would not have happened without the Jan 6 event. If you disagree, then we're at an impasse. This isn't court, this is just my common sense jurisdiction.
If you agree that most of their deaths likely would not have happened without Jan 6th, then we're making progress on common ground.
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Otherwise I must be on the same crazy pills that make me question why folks are parsing out Walz's statement from 10 years ago while ignoring the dozens of daily lies from Trump... mind boggling.
But, I already voted (for a gay dude of all people), so most of this is entertainment now.
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@89th said in Walz Vance debate:
You think there is NO correlation? You think these 5-6 folks would've literally died without the Jan 6 event? That is the true question.
Again, correlation does not equal causation. Heart attacks are not caused by a singular event but by a long period of declining cardiovascular health that culminates in blockage. Suicides are not either and are not uncommon among LEOs. Both are a culmination of events.
In short, those deaths were likely to happen soon anyway. January 6 did not cause any otherwise healthy person to have a heart attack or commit suicide by itself.
